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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If you think that businesses will not have to obey the law I predict that you will be disappointed.

    But go ahead and dream. I don't have a problem with that.
    I'd agree with you if the Hobby Lobby decision had gone differently.

    Now I dont know.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
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    I've proposed a compromise for a number of years...

    1. Pass Same-sex Civil Marriage.

    2. Repeal Public Accommodation laws that apply to private businesses


    Same Sex Couple get Civil Marriages. Businesses are not required to provide goods and services to anyone they don't want to. Public Accommodation laws would only apply to government entities and would restrict the ability of government entities to contract with or provide funds to private organizations which have a discriminatory business model.

    It's a win/win.

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    I'm conflicted on the topic. I'd love to see a state do so and be a 'test tube' for the businesses. See if people (not the business owners) truly step up and vote with their dollars. And make real choices based on business's stances. Would be very interesting and I bet we'd see just how far those religious and other 'beliefs' went.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sometimes society has to be shoved with a bulldozer. As far as marriage goes, there are always alternative sources and services besides churches.
    Well civil rights for blacks and women certainly did.

    The Deep South still isnt 'up to speed.'
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    Well now........I guess we can look forward to legalized polygamy now......
    What is the problem with that? I dont agree with it but as long as there are not *additional* taxes and benefits, etc, I dont care. It would not affect me at all.

    Are you objecting on moral grounds? Not everyone shares your moral views. Or if it would affect you or me, how? I admit, I havent seen both sides of the issue yet.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    "Pushing" is subjective term. Government force, however, is undeniable.

    We should adopt tolerance and let people agree to disagree. Are you against being pro-choice?
    There's an element of selectivism to it, to me. It speaks of hypocrisy.

    Certainly most...all that I know of...bakeries (for example) bake cakes for 2nd marriages...where one or both participants were adulterersn (not all, some).

    They bake cakes for fornicators....couples living together and celebrating their 'anniversaries', birthdays, etc. And altho some are not aware of circumstances, many are aware...and choose to take their money and ignore the sin.

    Where I come from in NJ, Jewish bakeries are highly prized....and they bake wonderful hot-crossed buns for Easter. They bake and prepare food for El Eid, the feast that breaks the Muslim fast of Ramadan.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It just shows how powerful public opinion can sway justice and legal outcomes.
    Is there a reason that the majority opinion concerning marriage should not be law? No harm has been shown, it affects no other marriages....it is a decision that reflects, after the momentum of many years, the opinion of the majority (besides being based on the Constitution).

    It is very similar to the civil rights battles and decisions of the '60s...one hundred years after the Civil War....should gays have to wait 100 yrs for 'the right thing?'
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So? I am only worried about government intervention. A country that forbids free expression of opinions is well on its way to losing its democratic function.
    They can express their opinions. And if they really dont want to serve a particular demographic....do so. I think they should...then the public can clearly see and make their own buying decisions.

    However there is a difference between expressing opinion and refusing service based on discrimination.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    With respect to gender, it depends on the state does it not?
    No. Gender is a protected class in every state.

    Sexual orientation is a protected class in some states, but not all.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    If everyone got behind the idea that we should call apples oranges I imagine we would soon see a headline "Apples, once inconceivable, are now Oranges".

    does that make the decision any more or less rational? not really
    Since this analogy is incorrect, your post is irrelevant.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    Hey kids, look! There's an overly-talkative libertarian yammering about something or another.

    No, I don't know what he's saying either. He just keeps talking though.
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