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    Maybe these people bake some pretty disgusting cakes?
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's hysterical nonsense, sure.
    Hysterical nonsense? You mean, it's not sensible to take any opinion I disagree with and extrapolate it to absurd extremes? That's not a real debate? Fascinating.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You'll permit the institutionalization of racism and other bigotries if it means gays can marry? That's not a win-win, that's a selfish disgusting ignorant selling out of ones fellow man. Gratz.
    "Institutionalized racism"?

    Not gonna happen. "Corporatization" will counter that very well.

    1. Areas of the country where black people couldn't rent a room for the night when traveling.

    2. Areas of the country where black people traveling couldn't buy gas from white station owners.

    3. Areas of the country where blacks couldn't eat unless they could find a black's only food establishment.

    4. And we had systematic discrimination against minorities in terms of how government functioned, such as segregated mass transit (buses, trains, etc.), schools, law enforcement, etc.

    5. Even segregation in the military.



    In those days such things were commonplace, but society has changed in the last 50 years and changed a lot. There has been a "corporatisation" where you can't spit without finding a company gas station, movie theater, restaurateur, motel/hotel, etc. Just because we repeal Public Accommodation laws, doesn't mean that things are going to go back to the way they were 3 generations ago. And there are a number of factors that impact this:

    1. We are much more mobile society. People routinely travel in a manner unprecedented then both temporary and "permanent" relocation's out of the area they grew up in.

    2. We are more informed society and information is much more available today about how a business conducts it self in term so taking care of customers we have Criag's list, Angie's list, Yelp, and a plethora of hotel, restaurant, and review sites for any type of business and it's not just the discriminated against who would choose not to associate with such a business. It includes many in the majority that would shy away from such businesses when discriminatory practices become public knowledge.

    3. The "corporatisation" of businesses in America watches the bottom line and having your "brand name" associated with and appearing to condone discrimination has a negative impact on the bottom line. With corporate owned "shops" and franchises who still fall under policies of the home office means that these businesses will not allow or condone what was going on prior to the 60's.


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    So the question becomes the balance of the rights of the private business owner to manage their private property according to their desires as compared to the desires of others to have access to that private business. With the widespread discrimination 3-generations ago there may have been justification to say the rights of the property owner needed to be usurped - on a temporary basis - but those times are pretty much gone. The balance was greatly tilted toward discrimination. I think of myself as a Goldwater Conservative quite a bit because Goldwater had the testicular fortitude to stand up against Fedreal Public Accommodation laws, not because he was a bigot or a racist - but because he believed in limited government.

    But in general the widespread issues from 60 years ago have been resolved by fundamental shifts in society. Sure there will be isolated instances, thats the price of liberty and dealing with your own issues. A burger joint says - I won't serve a black? OK, walk across the street to Applebee's. A photographer doesn't want to shoot a same-sex wedding? OK, Google or Angie's List another photographer in the area.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all FOR keeping Public Accommodation laws in force in terms of the functioning of government but that is because citizens have an inherent right to equal treatment by the government. There is no such right to equal treatment by other individuals.



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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm all FOR keeping Public Accommodation laws in force in terms of the functioning of government but that is because citizens have an inherent right to equal treatment by the government. There is no such right to equal treatment by other individuals.



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    And how about a small town with one grocery store who just wont sell food to those darned negroes welfare queens? Is "this would cause less harm than it used to" really an argument you're making?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    And how about a small town with one grocery store who just wont sell food to those darned negroes welfare queens? Is "this would cause less harm than it used to" really an argument you're making?
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    And how about a small town with one grocery store who just wont sell food to those darned negroes welfare queens? Is "this would cause less harm than it used to" really an argument you're making?

    I grew up in a small town, the one grocery store was a chain-store. The corporate office would fire a manager that decided not to sell to the darned negroes welfare queens?

    The Mom & Pop grocery stores from the early 1900's have been replaced with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not positive, but I believe so as that isn't denying them based on a race, national origin, religion, disability, or Gender (pretty sure Gender now qualifies as part of these laws as well).
    With respect to gender, it depends on the state does it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And how about a small town with one grocery store who just wont sell food to those darned negroes welfare queens? Is "this would cause less harm than it used to" really an argument you're making?
    When we get to the point where this sort of scenario is what's causing the greatest concern, what Constitutional justification is there for maintaining a Federal accommodation law?

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    If everyone got behind the idea that we should call apples oranges I imagine we would soon see a headline "Apples, once inconceivable, are now Oranges".

    does that make the decision any more or less rational? not really

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Forcing people to behave against their religious beliefs,when they are doing nobody physical harm is revolting, certainly.
    What about forcing them to adhere to your religious beliefs? I guess it is off-topic to refer to a medical procedure but to keep it on marriage....why should people be allowed to force others to conform to their religious beliefs about marriage when they dont believe them?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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