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Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

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'More than 80 people in Dallas are being monitored for symptoms of Ebola after coming into contact with patient Thomas Eric Duncan or others who Duncan had met, health officials said.

The people have been asked to report to Texas health officials or the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention if they show signs of the deadly virus, Erikka Neroes, a spokeswoman for Dallas County Department of Health and Human Services, said by telephone. Early signs can include a high temperature or other flu-like symptoms.'

Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola - Bloomberg


And the paranoia will soon begin?
 
Does this not sound like the right thing to do? Reasonable and voluntary? Responsible?

Why are you implying paranoia? For the public? We already know the guy is here and didnt get to the hospital in a self-contained, negative-pressure hamster ball.

What would be nice is if none of the 80 people come down with Ebola and the public sees that it's not easily transmissible.
 
I'd be in favor of placing a 3 week quarantine in Africa on anyone wanting to travel elsewhere.

If you are delivering supplies, you'll have to wear a bio suit while you are unloading. No materials allowed outbound unless decontaminated first.

The mere fact that Ebola has traveled so easily from the contained Africa all the way through EU and to US should be a big bright waving red high alert flag for everyone.
 
DA60 said:
'More than 80 people in Dallas are being monitored for symptoms of Ebola after coming into contact with patient Thomas Eric Duncan or others who Duncan had met, health officials said.

The people have been asked to report to Texas health officials or the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention if they show signs of the deadly virus, Erikka Neroes, a spokeswoman for Dallas County Department of Health and Human Services, said by telephone. Early signs can include a high temperature or other flu-like symptoms.'

Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola - Bloomberg


And the paranoia will soon begin?
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Mornin' DA. :2wave: They also Know he switched flights from Washington Dulles Airport to Dallas. Parents have pulled their kids out of schools. Hearing he came into contact with kids from 4 different schools.

Also this morning they are saying Hawaii may have another potential case.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'd be in favor of placing a 3 week quarantine in Africa on anyone wanting to travel elsewhere.

If you are delivering supplies, you'll have to wear a bio suit while you are unloading. No materials allowed outbound unless decontaminated first.

The mere fact that Ebola has traveled so easily from the contained Africa all the way through EU and to US should be a big bright waving red high alert flag for everyone.
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You know, Africa is like... really, really big. Like, really big. And Ebola is just in about 6 states there. Why quarantine all of Africa for just 6 states? why not just those 6?
 
Lursa said:
Does this not sound like the right thing to do? Reasonable and voluntary? Responsible?

Why are you implying paranoia? For the public? We already know the guy is here and didnt get to the hospital in a self-contained, negative-pressure hamster ball.

What would be nice is if none of the 80 people come down with Ebola and the public sees that it's not easily transmissible.
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I think the point is how large the potential exposure group is for a person who was only symptomatic for a day or two. What happens when the next victim doesn't go to the hospital immediatel and waits a few more days before seeking medical attention? What happens when the potential exposure group numbers in the hundreds, most of whom are John and Jane Doe?
 
It is not "paranoia" to be rightly concerned about the imminent spread of Ebola in the United States.

As the realities I presented here attest -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html -- America is the precise melting-pot the virus needs to find the right host to mutate to airborne spread.

But even without that pending mutation, studies in other links on the topic in this forum reveal that Ebola can remain on materials touched by a symptomatic patient for more than six days .. materials such as chairs, stair railings, kitchen cupboards, bathroom fixtures .. and classroom desks. Considering people touch their face over a thousand times a day -- which includes the entry points of mouth, nose, eyes -- the spread of Ebola even prior to it mutating to airborne is a piece of cake.

Because it comes on looking like the flu, parents and others caring for an Ebola sufferer will be exposed .. and many will still go to work when they experience "flu" symptoms, because they can't afford to take a day off, what with the post-Great Recession under-paid reaction still harming millions of Americans.

Sadly, there are many people .. and D.P. posters .. who are ideologically paranoid that this or that favorite politician or party will take the hit for the inevitable outbreak in the U.S., and they're downplaying the whole thing as their political paradigm deems appropriate, much like the Global Warming "debate" .. and likewise to the great detriment of Americans.

Yes, add all these factors together, and we are ripe for a major, major health disaster here.

The time has come to be safe, not sorry.

Tell all your elected and appointed officials to act strongly, with very liberal quarantines, and act now, before Ebola's spread and the associated panic sets in that will cripple America's and the world's economies. Downplaying both the health and economic potential of this deadly to-those-of-all-ages disease is simply stupid, and those who do so for political-allegiance reasons are behaving most egregiously.

A word to the wise.

Tick tock, people.
 
Rainman05 said:
You know, Africa is like... really, really big. Like, really big. And Ebola is just in about 6 states there. Why quarantine all of Africa for just 6 states? why not just those 6?
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Just their airports. Or any shipping coming from there or dont let the seaman get off in our ports.
 
Rainman05 said:
You know, Africa is like... really, really big. Like, really big. And Ebola is just in about 6 states there. Why quarantine all of Africa for just 6 states? why not just those 6?
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Yeah, the 6 states would be fine, and make more sense.
 
We need to suspend all travel between The United States and Africa and seal the border.
 
jmotivator said:
I think the point is how large the potential exposure group is for a person who was only symptomatic for a day or two. What happens when the next victim doesn't go to the hospital immediatel and waits a few more days before seeking medical attention? What happens when the potential exposure group numbers in the hundreds, most of whom are John and Jane Doe?
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Having read about this for years in general, it wasnt a surprise to me and it isnt to the CDC. It's been spelled out very clearly in all sorts of scenarios...and real life cases.

And we've been discussing the higher numbers, necessary quarantines and restrictions, and the major infringements on people's civil rights.

Maybe the public will have to be really really scared before they'll accept those infringements? Good point, thank you. Because it can...and may...get really really ugly.

The economy will suffer big time. The govt will be trying to balance control with keeping the $$$$ flowing.

Like I said: ugly.
 
apdst said:
We need to suspend all travel between The United States and Africa and seal the border.
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Wont disagree but have you weighed the economic consequences against the viral consequences?
 
Ockham said:
And it keeps on growing in Dallas....

Texas Says That Up to 100 Are at Risk of Ebola Exposure

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=0
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And this patient in Dallas was the best case scenario. He reported to the hospital when he became symptomatic, he told them he had just traveled from Liberia... he checked ALL of the boxes needed to trigger his quarantine and they sent him home.

All of the best laid plans and thorough protocols don't mean a thing if they can't withstand human error.

Patient #1 was a best case scenario and we failed.
 
Lursa said:
Wont disagree but have you weighed the economic consequences against the viral consequences?
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I'm thinking of the consequences of a nationwide epidemic that could kill tens of thousands of Americans.
 
jmotivator said:
And this patient in Dallas was the best case scenario. He reported to the hospital when he became symptomatic, he told them he had just traveled from Liberia... he checked ALL of the boxes needed to trigger his quarantine and they sent him home.

All of the best laid plans and thorough protocols don't mean a thing if they can't withstand human error.

Patient #1 was a best case scenario and we failed.
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Best case scenario, is that the disease dies off by itself.
 
And absolutely no talk of quarantine of these possibly infected. Fail right out of the gate.
 
the airlines and governments involved need to have a serious quarantine policy either pre flight or post arrival if planes are going to be allowed to fly out of that region at all. to not do so would be a big mistake.
 
apdst said:
Best case scenario, is that the disease dies off by itself.
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The sad thing is....now there is a chance that it will find a host here in the US and become endemic...popping up sporadically in the future.

It's not likely to kill thousands here. Unless it turns airborne which is still not likely. Possible and definitely worth considering, but not panic-worthy.
 
Helix said:
the airlines and governments involved need to have a serious quarantine policy either pre flight or post arrival if planes are going to be allowed to fly out of that region at all. to not do so would be a big mistake.
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Absolutely has to be pre-flight.

The civil rights crises and economics will be an outrage here if it's on arrival. (I"m not implying it would be wrong, just my predicted consequences)
 
Lursa said:
Absolutely has to be pre-flight.

The civil rights crises and economics will be an outrage here if it's on arrival. (I"m not implying it would be wrong, just my predicted consequences)
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pre-flight makes more sense, because otherwise, there would have to be quarantines at every stop on connecting flights.

unfortunately, it's likely that this won't be done unless the problem becomes a multi-continent epidemic. we should do it now.
 
Ontologuy said:
It is not "paranoia" to be rightly concerned about the imminent spread of Ebola in the United States.

As the realities I presented here attest -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html -- America is the precise melting-pot the virus needs to find the right host to mutate to airborne spread.

But even without that pending mutation, studies in other links on the topic in this forum reveal that Ebola can remain on materials touched by a symptomatic patient for more than six days .. materials such as chairs, stair railings, kitchen cupboards, bathroom fixtures .. and classroom desks. Considering people touch their face over a thousand times a day -- which includes the entry points of mouth, nose, eyes -- the spread of Ebola even prior to it mutating to airborne is a piece of cake.

Because it comes on looking like the flu, parents and others caring for an Ebola sufferer will be exposed .. and many will still go to work when they experience "flu" symptoms, because they can't afford to take a day off, what with the post-Great Recession under-paid reaction still harming millions of Americans.

Sadly, there are many people .. and D.P. posters .. who are ideologically paranoid that this or that favorite politician or party will take the hit for the inevitable outbreak in the U.S., and they're downplaying the whole thing as their political paradigm deems appropriate, much like the Global Warming "debate" .. and likewise to the great detriment of Americans.

Yes, add all these factors together, and we are ripe for a major, major health disaster here.

The time has come to be safe, not sorry.

Tell all your elected and appointed officials to act strongly, with very liberal quarantines, and act now, before Ebola's spread and the associated panic sets in that will cripple America's and the world's economies. Downplaying both the health and economic potential of this deadly to-those-of-all-ages disease is simply stupid, and those who do so for political-allegiance reasons are behaving most egregiously.

A word to the wise.

Tick tock, people.
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I was in a briefing concerning the Dallas patient and the risks this virus poses to the general public, and you're right. Because the on-set of Ebola mimics flu-like symptoms it's very easy for people to brush it off as if they just have a common cold or flu. It's not until the symptoms get worse - severe headache, fever, vomiting, diarrhea and especially the bleeding - do people begin to take notice (code for PANIC!). The good news is you'll know you've contracted the virus within 4-11 days. The bad news is at least half the people who develop symptoms will likely die.

The only way to beat this virus is to quarantine everyone whose been exposed for at least 21 days and to decontaminate or burn (as necessary) everything they've touched. We may have a very good public health system, but this is a germ you don't want to get out into the general population.
 
Objective Voice said:
I was in a briefing concerning the Dallas patient and the risks this virus poses to the general public, and you're right. Because the on-set of Ebola mimics flu-like symptoms it's very easy for people to brush it off as if they just have a common cold or flu. It's not until the symptoms get worse - severe headache, fever, vomiting, diarrhea and especially the bleeding - do people begin to take notice (code for PANIC!). The good news is you'll know you've contracted the virus within 4-11 days. The bad news is at least half the people who develop symptoms will likely die.

The only way to beat this virus is to quarantine everyone whose been exposed for at least 21 days and to decontaminate or burn (as necessary) everything they've touched. We may have a very good public health system, but this is a germ you don't want to get out into the general population.
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Agreed, but we have already failed that standard and there is no will as yet to live up to it. Not to mention, the virus going airborne is not the only mutation danger. It could jump species (again). Imagine if it were to jump bovine.
 
Ockham said:
And it keeps on growing in Dallas....

Texas Says That Up to 100 Are at Risk of Ebola Exposure

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=0
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Just read this moments ago. The good news here is these are 2nd and 3rd level contacts (i.e., ME, then YOU (1st level) then your friend/co-worker/child/spouse (2nd level) and then their friend, neighbor, store clerk (3th level)) which means the hospital and public health officials acted quickly in their disease intervention investigations and cast a very wide net. If any of the 3rd level personnel come down with symptoms within the next 6 days, we're in trouble!

Pray...
 
clownboy said:
Agreed, but we have already failed that standard and there is no will as yet to live up to it. Not to mention, the virus going airborne is not the only mutation danger. It could jump species (again). Imagine if it were to jump bovine.
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I don't know if we've failed just yet. People who health officials believe may have been exposed have been told to stay indoors. It's hard to put a cop at everyone's front door, but if folks start flooding hospitals from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area I'd definitely consider putting the entire city on lockdown if I were the mayor/Governor.
 
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