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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Absolutely has to be pre-flight.

    The civil rights crises and economics will be an outrage here if it's on arrival. (I"m not implying it would be wrong, just my predicted consequences)
    pre-flight makes more sense, because otherwise, there would have to be quarantines at every stop on connecting flights.

    unfortunately, it's likely that this won't be done unless the problem becomes a multi-continent epidemic. we should do it now.

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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    It is not "paranoia" to be rightly concerned about the imminent spread of Ebola in the United States.

    As the realities I presented here attest -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...ight-host.html -- America is the precise melting-pot the virus needs to find the right host to mutate to airborne spread.

    But even without that pending mutation, studies in other links on the topic in this forum reveal that Ebola can remain on materials touched by a symptomatic patient for more than six days .. materials such as chairs, stair railings, kitchen cupboards, bathroom fixtures .. and classroom desks. Considering people touch their face over a thousand times a day -- which includes the entry points of mouth, nose, eyes -- the spread of Ebola even prior to it mutating to airborne is a piece of cake.

    Because it comes on looking like the flu, parents and others caring for an Ebola sufferer will be exposed .. and many will still go to work when they experience "flu" symptoms, because they can't afford to take a day off, what with the post-Great Recession under-paid reaction still harming millions of Americans.

    Sadly, there are many people .. and D.P. posters .. who are ideologically paranoid that this or that favorite politician or party will take the hit for the inevitable outbreak in the U.S., and they're downplaying the whole thing as their political paradigm deems appropriate, much like the Global Warming "debate" .. and likewise to the great detriment of Americans.

    Yes, add all these factors together, and we are ripe for a major, major health disaster here.

    The time has come to be safe, not sorry.

    Tell all your elected and appointed officials to act strongly, with very liberal quarantines, and act now, before Ebola's spread and the associated panic sets in that will cripple America's and the world's economies. Downplaying both the health and economic potential of this deadly to-those-of-all-ages disease is simply stupid, and those who do so for political-allegiance reasons are behaving most egregiously.

    A word to the wise.

    Tick tock, people.
    I was in a briefing concerning the Dallas patient and the risks this virus poses to the general public, and you're right. Because the on-set of Ebola mimics flu-like symptoms it's very easy for people to brush it off as if they just have a common cold or flu. It's not until the symptoms get worse - severe headache, fever, vomiting, diarrhea and especially the bleeding - do people begin to take notice (code for PANIC!). The good news is you'll know you've contracted the virus within 4-11 days. The bad news is at least half the people who develop symptoms will likely die.

    The only way to beat this virus is to quarantine everyone whose been exposed for at least 21 days and to decontaminate or burn (as necessary) everything they've touched. We may have a very good public health system, but this is a germ you don't want to get out into the general population.
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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I was in a briefing concerning the Dallas patient and the risks this virus poses to the general public, and you're right. Because the on-set of Ebola mimics flu-like symptoms it's very easy for people to brush it off as if they just have a common cold or flu. It's not until the symptoms get worse - severe headache, fever, vomiting, diarrhea and especially the bleeding - do people begin to take notice (code for PANIC!). The good news is you'll know you've contracted the virus within 4-11 days. The bad news is at least half the people who develop symptoms will likely die.

    The only way to beat this virus is to quarantine everyone whose been exposed for at least 21 days and to decontaminate or burn (as necessary) everything they've touched. We may have a very good public health system, but this is a germ you don't want to get out into the general population.
    Agreed, but we have already failed that standard and there is no will as yet to live up to it. Not to mention, the virus going airborne is not the only mutation danger. It could jump species (again). Imagine if it were to jump bovine.

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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And it keeps on growing in Dallas....

    Texas Says That Up to 100 Are at Risk of Ebola Exposure

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us...acts.html?_r=0
    Just read this moments ago. The good news here is these are 2nd and 3rd level contacts (i.e., ME, then YOU (1st level) then your friend/co-worker/child/spouse (2nd level) and then their friend, neighbor, store clerk (3th level)) which means the hospital and public health officials acted quickly in their disease intervention investigations and cast a very wide net. If any of the 3rd level personnel come down with symptoms within the next 6 days, we're in trouble!

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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Agreed, but we have already failed that standard and there is no will as yet to live up to it. Not to mention, the virus going airborne is not the only mutation danger. It could jump species (again). Imagine if it were to jump bovine.
    I don't know if we've failed just yet. People who health officials believe may have been exposed have been told to stay indoors. It's hard to put a cop at everyone's front door, but if folks start flooding hospitals from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area I'd definitely consider putting the entire city on lockdown if I were the mayor/Governor.
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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    pre-flight makes more sense, because otherwise, there would have to be quarantines at every stop on connecting flights.

    unfortunately, it's likely that this won't be done unless the problem becomes a multi-continent epidemic. we should do it now.
    Pre-flight quarantines are impractical for 21 days.
    No way it can be done or people will answer honestly.
    This particular victim (they say) knew he was exposed before he left, carrying a pregnant victim.
    If you were sick or suspected you were, in Liberia, you might do the same.
    Your chances here are definitely much better.

    We need an international effort in West Africa and I think the USA and EU should Ban all flights from Sierra Leone and Liberia.
    There's NOT enough urgent travel business of any kind from those countries compared to the risk of spreading the virus.

    That said, I think this is going to be very limited as contagion is not easy. Not like ie, SARS.

    This has been another Comedy of errors after the Secret Service.
    The Hospital Blew it Big Time.
    The CDC finally is getting some help to this man's care-giving woman, ONLY after hearing of her plight on CNN this AM. She didn't know what to do with all the sheets, towels, etc.
    Now they're sending a Med disposal team.
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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We need to suspend all travel between The United States and Africa and seal the border.
    Racist!

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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Pre-flight quarantines are impractical for 21 days.
    No way it can be done or people will answer honestly.
    so you quarantine them in a monitored facility. sure, it will be extremely inconvenient, but so is a pandemic.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This particular victim (they say) knew he was exposed before he left, carrying a pregnant victim.
    If you were sick or suspected you were, in Liberia, you might do the same.
    Your chances here are definitely much better.

    We need an international effort in West Africa and I think the USA and EU should ban all flights from Sierra Leone and Liberia.
    There's not enough urgent travel business of any kind from those countries compared to the risk of spreading the virus.
    that's the other option.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    That said I think this is going t be very limited as contagion is not east. Not like ie, SARS.

    This has been another Comedy of errors after the Secret Service.
    The Hospital Blew it Big Time.
    The CDC finally is getting some help to this man's care-giving woman, ONLY after hearing of her plight on CNN. She didn't know what to do with all the sheets, towels, etc.
    Now there sending a Med disposal team.
    yeah, this kind of stuff should be taken more seriously.

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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    so you quarantine them in a monitored facility. sure, it will be extremely inconvenient, but so is a pandemic.
    Three weeks for who?
    Everyone stays in a hotel for 3 weeks before they leave or just the ones who [admit] they had contact?
    Ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix

    that's the other option.
    Banning flights to the USA/EU is easily the most sensible option compared to quarantine.
    There's NO urgent biz or economically significant tourism compared to the Risk.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix
    yeah, this kind of stuff should be taken more seriously.
    Keystone Kops Secret Service, Dallas Hospital, and CDC.
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    Re: Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Three weeks for who?
    Everyone stays in a hotel for 3 weeks before they leave or just the ones who [admit] they had contact?
    Ridiculous.

    Banning flights to the USA/EU is easily the most sensible option compared to quarantine.
    There's NO urgent biz or economically significant tourism compared to the Risk.


    Keystone Kops Secret Service, Dallas Hospital, and CDC.
    i'd like to see a way for some of the aid workers to get home. we need medical professionals to go there to improve the treatment of the patients, and to bring in gear. if you tell them they are stuck there indefinitely, many might choose not to go. there could be a restriction on the number of flights and who is on them, and all should be quarantined, though.

    the CDC is generally pretty good, but should be doing more.

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