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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Mr. Dunn will be spending the rest of his life in prison: Loud-music shooter gets life in prison

I'm sure that many times in the future Mr. Dunn will wish that he had just left that place. If he had he wouldn't be spending the rest of his life behind bars and that young man would still be alive.

But he did what he did and now he must pay the price.

He DID just leave that place! Sad thing is, he could have done so without shooting up an SUV and killing a guy.

As it was, the 'leaving' seems to have been a major nail in his coffin.
 
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People can act out of fear all they want, but if you do so without credible threat and infringe upon the rights of others in doing so; you are at fault and you get to face the punishment.

Just IMO this is a good example of how people's prejudice's and arrogance feed into their fears so that they arent capable of good judgement in situations. They see what they 'believe' they'll see based on those biases.
 
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No I really did not want to waist my time on more useless comments.

OK whatever you say. Of course you think I actually read that nonsense you posted. :lamo
And yet here you are. :doh

And yeah, you read it.
You know you did.
You just can't defend your nonsense, that is all





People can act out of fear all they want, but if you do so without credible threat and infringe upon the rights of others in doing so; you are at fault and you get to face the punishment.
You have it mixed up there.
The threat does not have to be an actual threat, just appear to be so to the individual reacting to it.





When you say evidence dude. the evidence. You are referring to the evidence that got him convicted yes?
:doh
What did you not understand about the fact that juries get things wrong all the time?

What did you not understand about the example of the juror from the first trial wanting to convict for reasons not supported by the law?
She saw the same evidence and her reasoning was not based on it.





Excon: Yes, he chased the vehicle. He shot into the vehicle 10 times. There were no return shots, since the guys weren't armed. The vehicle took off, and the defendant ran after it, continuing to shoot into it.
D'oh!
:doh
You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
He did not chase the vehicle.
He shot from the position next to his own vehicle.

The Durango, where the threat was located, reversed while the threat was being shot at. It stopped immediately behind Dunn's vehicle. Where Dunn again began shooting at the threat as he could not tell (because of the tinted windows) whether the threat was going to shoot back.
The Durango then left while the threat was being fired upon.


And you are making an assumption that they were not armed being a reason no shots were returned. For all you know they had a gun and it malfunctioned.
Which matters not, because until the vehicle was far enough away the threat was still present.


This really doesn't sound like a case of self defense at all.
Yes it does.


He had lost control, at best. At best. He was in a rage and determined to do what he intended to do.
More nonsense.
The only one who was in a rage, by the testimony, was Davis, who got out of the vehicle to carry through with his threat.
Which is exactly what Dunn was responding to.


Then afterwards, he didn't call the police. He went to his hotel, ordered a pizza, had a beer, took the dog for a walk, then went to sleep.
Irrelevant. He didn't have to.


I'm sure you can see how this is different from someone who really is defending himself.
As it is exactly what a person who acted in self defense did, you are again speaking nonsense, as there is no difference.
All people act differently, especially after traumatic experiences such as this. There is no set pattern as to how a person must act. It is like you and others don't know that.


He just blew his stack over the music, the guys' attitude about it.
More bs. T
Your statement is in direct contradiction to what Davis's friends in the vehicle testified to.
Dunn was not the one irate, out of control, or angry. It was Davis who was.


But when you take someone's life, that's something that must be done only in certain, extreme circumstances. If not, then justice must prevail. The one who took someone's life must then give up his own, in the name of justice.
JUstice didn't prevail as anyone should be allowed to act the same when facing such a threat.


It's just so easy, when someone is hot headed, to do the wrong thing and lose control.
The problem here is that Dunn didn't lose control. He reacted to a threat.
 
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And yet here you are. :doh
And yeah, you read it.
You know you did.
You just can't defend your nonsense, that is all

No I didn't. Does it hurt to realize your comments are that irrelevant and worthless? Hmmmm.
 
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No I didn't. Does it hurt to realize your comments are that irrelevant and worthless? Hmmmm.
:lamo
Yeah you did. You just can't defend the irrelevant worthless tripe you spew.
The fact that you focus on me instead of the evidence attests to the fact you can't discuses the evidence.
 
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:lamo
Yeah you did. You just can't defend the irrelevant worthless tripe you spew.
The fact that you focus on me instead of the evidence attests to that.

No I didn't because it was stupid. I guess you can read my mind? Tell me what I am thinking now? Oh you can't? I wonder why?

Of course the thread is not about me, it's about your inability to deal with the rightful conviction of Dunn, and your blind support of said convicted felon.

So I will laugh again and point.
 
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No I didn't because it was stupid. I guess you can read my mind? Tell me what I am thinking now? Oh you can't? I wonder why?

Of course the thread is not about me, it's about your inability to deal with the rightful conviction of Dunn, and your blind support of said convicted felon.

So I will laugh again and point.
More nonsense from you.
Of course you did. You just can't defend the irrelevant worthless tripe you spew.
The fact that you focus on me instead of the evidence attests to the fact you can't.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

More nonsense from you.

You are the one claiming I did something I didn't. lol.

Of course you did. You just can't defend the irrelevant worthless tripe you spew.

I don't have to defend it, it's true as shown by his conviction, end of story. The fact is I don't care what you have to say on it anymore because it is stupid and wrong at best.

The fact that you focus on me instead of the evidence attests to the fact you can't.

I focus on your inability to see logically what the evidence is. All you see is what you want to see, you made yourself the center of fantasy land, not I.
 
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You are the one claiming I did something I didn't. lol.
:doh
You are the one saying they didn't read it when you did. I am just correcting the lie you are telling.


I don't have to defend it, it's true as shown by his conviction, end of story.
Wrong again. You have no idea why they convicted. Which is just another thing that you have been unable to contend with.


The fact is I don't care what you have to say on it anymore because it is stupid and wrong at best.
Your imagination at work is irrelevant.
What you have said is ignorant and wrong, as repeatedly shown by the evidence and your lack of knowledge of it.
And you keep deflecting away from being wrong.

I focus on your inability to see logically what the evidence is.
:lamo
All you are doing is focusing on your inability to logically see what the evidence is, and I keep pointing that out.


All you see is what you want to see, you made yourself the center of fantasy land, not I.
iLOL
:2rofll:

:naughty
That is you and your bias, as repeatedly shown.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:doh
You are the one saying they didn't read it when you did. I am just correcting the lie you are telling.

I don't lie and have no need to lie. I have not read it, and I will not because it is more drivel. It is moronic to believe someone has done something that you have no clue about.


Wrong again. You have no idea why they convicted. Which is just another thing that you have been unable to contend with.

Nonsense. I know exactly why they convicted the idiot... They thought he based on the evidence, was guilty. Occams razor ftw!


Your imagination at work is irrelevant.
What you have said is ignorant and wrong, as repeatedly shown by the evidence and your lack of knowledge of it.
And you keep deflecting away from being wrong.

And yet with all your horn blowing about how he would be found innocent... You were wrong. So no "imagination" here. Just cold hard facts you are either unwilling or to self deluded to see.

:lamo
All you are doing is focusing on your inability to logically see what the evidence is, and I keep pointing that out.

No. You are focusing on using smiles because your argument and what logic you had, has failed... Miserably.

iLOL
:2rofll:

:naughty
That is you and your bias, as repeatedly shown.

I am pretty impartial here. Don't care one way or the other. I just think it is laughable that after claiming fervently how he would be found innocent... It was thrown right in your face like pretty much every said would happen.

I just think that is funny.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Just IMO this is a good example of how people's prejudice's and arrogance feed into their fears so that they arent capable of good judgement in situations. They see what they 'believe' they'll see based on those biases.

off course. reality is reality, but each of us experiences it through our own perception. It's why fear alone cannot be excuse enough to infringe upon the rights of others.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You have it mixed up there.
The threat does not have to be an actual threat, just appear to be so to the individual reacting to it.

Incorrect, hallucinations are not valid defense for infringing upon the rights of others. A man tripping on mushrooms, seeing killer clowns everywhere cannot go on a killing spree and be found innocent. Neither can the delusions of one's overactive imagination fueled by their own fear be excuse for infringing upon the rights of others. If you give into your emotions and act rashly, you are responsible for the consequences of your actions. If it turns out you're wrong, you can go to jail if your actions were severe enough.
 
Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial
Michael Dunn found guilty of murder in loud-music trial - CNN.com

Sad day for him. He should have walked.

Simply because Dunn perceived a person as "threatening" does not make it OK to execute that threatening person. Dunn stated that he "thought" the person was armed thus it was OK to shoot them "preemptively" to eliminate the threat - yet he decided not to stick around and explain that action. The jury evaluated the evidence (twice) and convicted Dunn based on that evidence.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I don't lie and have no need to lie.
:doh
Obviously you are again doing it.



I have not read it,
Yeah you did.


and I will not because it is more drivel.
The only drivel has been the crap you have been spewing.

It is moronic to believe someone has done something that you have no clue about.
Not the case here. YOu read it and you know you did.

You are just not that good at conveying false information about what you do.


Nonsense. I know exactly why they convicted the idiot... They thought he based on the evidence, was guilty. Occams razor ftw!
:2rofll:
It is moronic to believe someone has done something that you have no clue about.

All you know is that he was convicted, not why.
As already shown it could be for any number of reasons, some of which would not be in compliance with the law.


And yet with all your horn blowing about how he would be found innocent... You were wrong. So no "imagination" here. Just cold hard facts you are either unwilling or to self deluded to see.
There is you own convoluted and delusional thoughts coming to bear again.

There is a distinct difference between "should" and your "would". Learn it so you don't continue to make the same absurd errors.


No. You are focusing on using smiles because your argument and what logic you had, has failed... Miserably.
:lamo
You can't even interpret smiley use either. :doh Figures.

No. Those smileys are laughing at the absurd logic you employ in your responses.
And you focus on me as already stated signifies that you have no valid argument against the evidence. It is why you continue to so.


I am pretty impartial here.
Just more dishonesty from you.


I just think it is laughable that after claiming fervently how he would be found innocent... It was thrown right in your face like pretty much every said would happen.

I just think that is funny.
And again more dishonesty from you, and yet you say you don't lie. That is what is funny.
And all because you let your bias rule your thoughts and turned should into would. :doh iLOL





Incorrect, hallucinations are not valid defense for infringing upon the rights of others.
Just more nonsense.
He had no hallucinations, nor did the prosecutor allege any.

Cops see different items in a persons hand as a gun all the time. They are not hallucinating either.
 
Simply because Dunn perceived a person as "threatening" does not make it OK to execute that threatening person. Dunn stated that he "thought" the person was armed thus it was OK to shoot them "preemptively" to eliminate the threat -
Oh FFS, you are ignoring the evidence to even say such, and nothing you said counters what has already been stated multiple times.

It wasn't simply because, and saying such flies in the face of the evidence.
As Davis's friends testified, Davis was the only one acting irate and angry (toward Dunn). Not Dunn.

Davis threatened to kill him. Displayed a means to accomplish that threat, and then started getting out of the vehicle to carry through with the threat.
Those actions not only make it credible, but also immanent.
Under such circumstances anyone should be able to fire "preemptively" upon the threat.

Dunn thought he saw a gun, Davis's friend said he had a phone in his hand.
Well golly gee :doh Cops have mistaken a phone for a gun many times. Some are even adamant that they saw a gun despite the person being found with a phone, and they don't even get charged.


yet he decided not to stick around and explain that action.
1. He wasn't required to stick around.
2. And he gave legitimate reason for not doing so at the time.
People act differently, especially after traumatic events.


The jury evaluated the evidence (twice)
Twice? D'oh! iLOL
What exactly do you think that means? Especially as the first was hung.

Statistically? It meant he was pretty much screwed.


The jury evaluated the evidence (twice) and convicted Dunn based on that evidence.
As already pointed out, that is irrelevant to this discussion.
Pointing out that the Jury found guilt in a discussion of the actual evidence after the fact of their finding, especially as their finding is already known, is pretty ridiculous.

Secondly, unless a recent Juror has spoken out, you do not know why they found the way they did.
It could be any number of reasons, some of which have absolutely nothing to do with the actual law, and would be a miscarriage of Justice. And even within the bounds of the law, Juries get things wrong all the time.

Which is why an example of a Juror from the first trial was previously given. She voted to find him guilty because she said he had other options available to him.
Like rolling up his window. :doh
Like parking in a different spot. :doh
None of which have to do with the actual threat and response to it.
Had there been a conviction the first time around based on the way she voted, it would have been a miscarriage of justice.
So like I said, Juries get things wrong all the time, and you, nor anyone else at this time knows why this Jury found the way they did.
 
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:doh
Obviously you are again doing it.

Yeah you did.

The only drivel has been the crap you have been spewing.

Not the case here. YOu read it and you know you did.

You are just not that good at conveying false information about what you do.

:2rofll:
It is moronic to believe someone has done something that you have no clue about.

All you know is that he was convicted, not why.
As already shown it could be for any number of reasons, some of which would not be in compliance with the law.

There is you own convoluted and delusional thoughts coming to bear again.

There is a distinct difference between "should" and your "would". Learn it so you don't continue to make the same absurd errors.

:lamo
You can't even interpret smiley use either. :doh Figures.

No. Those smileys are laughing at the absurd logic you employ in your responses.
And you focus on me as already stated signifies that you have no valid argument against the evidence. It is why you continue to so.

Just more dishonesty from you.

And again more dishonesty from you, and yet you say you don't lie. That is what is funny.
And all because you let your bias rule your thoughts and turned should into would. :doh iLOL

Just more nonsense.
He had no hallucinations, nor did the prosecutor allege any.

Cops see different items in a persons hand as a gun all the time. They are not hallucinating either.

I did not bother to read this either. I mean seriously you are probably still claiming I read something I did not, and then proceeding to claim more incomprehensible crap about the case.

He was convicted, 3 times. 2 different juries. So it boils down to either...

A. Everyone on the planet is smarter than you.
B. Everyone on the planet is dumber than you.

I will let the posts you have made tell the story.
 
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I did not bother to read this either.
So are saying you are just trolling because you can't argue your position?


He was convicted, 3 times. 2 different juries. So it boils down to either...
:doh
While what the Jury decided is irrelevant to this discussion (as repeatedly pointed out), you can't even get it right.
You can't even get that right. D'oh!


A. Everyone on the planet is smarter than you.
B. Everyone on the planet is dumber than you.
An example of your own ridiculously absurd bias.
As already shown, other folks are of the opinion that Dunn should have been found not guilty also.
One's opinion being in the minority does not mean their opinion is wrong. Funny that you think that.



I will let the posts you have made tell the story.
The "story" is that you are factually wrong, as shown by the evidence.
 
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Incorrect, hallucinations are not valid defense for infringing upon the rights of others. A man tripping on mushrooms, seeing killer clowns everywhere cannot go on a killing spree and be found innocent. Neither can the delusions of one's overactive imagination fueled by their own fear be excuse for infringing upon the rights of others. If you give into your emotions and act rashly, you are responsible for the consequences of your actions. If it turns out you're wrong, you can go to jail if your actions were severe enough.

What is surprizing is that many don't remember Michael Dunn's earlier television performance on Saturday Night Live as the recurring Pathological Liar.

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Yeah, thats what happen.
 
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So are saying you are just trolling because you can't argue your position?

:doh
While what the Jury decided is irrelevant to this discussion (as repeatedly pointed out), you can't even get it right.
You can't even get that right. D'oh!


An example of your own ridiculously absurd bias.
As already shown, other folks are of the opinion that Dunn should have been found not guilty also.
One's opinion being in the minority does not mean their opinion is wrong. Funny that you think that.

The "story" is that you are factually wrong, as shown by the evidence.

Ywan. Same nonsense different day.

Ummmm.... what the jury decided is what this whole thread is about...

Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial
Michael Dunn found guilty of murder in loud-music trial - CNN.com

Sad day for him. He should have walked.

So again you show how no argument is all you got, hehehe.
 
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Ywan. Same nonsense different day.
Stop putting it out then.


Ummmm.... what the jury decided is what this whole thread is about...
:naughty
Wrong again.
It is not what the discussion is about.



So again you show how no argument is all you got, hehehe.
:doh
Said the one who has been unable to make a valid argument.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

And yet, the people who had better access to witnesses and evidence than we do......found him guilty in two separate trials.

Perhaps if he had not had been drinking he would have been able to react to the situation in a more reasonable fashion and see more clearly.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

And yet, the people who had better access to witnesses and evidence than we do......found him guilty in two separate trials.
That is not a valid argument. Especially as juries get things wrong all the time.
And you seem to be forgetting that we saw the whole trial broadcast. We saw what the Jury saw.
And unlike them, we have had more time to evaluate the evidence in toto. Before and after.
 
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And here are some choice excerpts:



What a racist maniac. Its clear that he doesnt like blacks and if given the opportunity would kill them all if he had the chance. This pretty much confirms he's a sociopathic racist who wanted to kill those kids because he didnt like them.

Huh. Substitute "blacks" for "Christians" and you have the attitude of ISIS.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

That is not a valid argument. Especially as juries get things wrong all the time.
And you seem to be forgetting that we saw the whole trial broadcast. We saw what the Jury saw.
And unlike them, we have had more time to evaluate the evidence in toto. Before and after.

So every jury gets it wrong except the ones you agree with?
 
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So every jury gets it wrong except the ones you agree with?
:doh
Is that what I said?
Or did I say your argument was invalid. Especially as juries get things wrong all the time?


Your argument was a logical fallacy.
 
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