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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I think he would have walked if he called 911 immediately after the shooting, and if he also stayed at the scene. His lack of reporting what happened and leaving the scene is extremely suspicious. [The SUV could have been searched immediately for a shotgun that way too.]

The only chance he ever had was to talk to the police immediately. But I do not think things would have been that much different.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Your statement was a blanket statement covering trials. Not the specific type.
Here is your original comment.
Nowhere did you distinguish between the type of trials.
So while you may have meant only in jury trials you did not specify such.
So yes, a judge can do that in a trial, a bench trial, where the Judge is also the Jury.


Which is why I said, "for clarification purposes".

We were talking about jury trials.
The jury decided on his guilt
If you are going to interpret my comment as including bench trials then I can't help you.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I had not heard that the suv was in motion. Who's testimony is that?

They tried to leave when Dunn was firing into the car.

You were an eye witness?

No, I live nearby and it's on the news all the time.



Prosecutors dispute that friends of Jordan Davis fled after shooting | members.jacksonville.com

Besides, according to all the Dunn apologists, aren't they saying that that's how they got rid of the "mystery weapon?" Now either they left or they didn't. Y'all need to make up your minds.

Showing you do not understand the evidence.
They traveled into another parking lot. Over 400 feet away.
The police didn't immediately search that area. And it wasn't searched until days after they were informed.
So yes they could have disposed of something immediately and it not have been found. Especially as it was, IIRC, the drivers aunt and cousin who were in the area at the time. The driver called them instead of 911. And he even lied about that.

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to your BFF, trying to explain to him that the vehicle was, in fact, in motion and trying to drive away as Dunn continued to fire at the vehicle.

He seemed to not believe me when I told him that the SUV was, in fact, pulling away from the scene.

You verified what I said. They were moving away. 400 feet or 400 miles, they were still pulling away, as Dunn continued firing.

Y'all should probably get together and get your stories together before you post. It might make you look more prepared if your stories match.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

He didn't shoot at anybody because of loud music.,
Saying such is a mischaracterization of what happened.
Dunn shot Davis because Davis became a threat.
Davis even got out of the vehicle to carry through with that threat.
That is why he was shot. Not because the music was loud.

Okay, what of warning shots to scare a threat away? Or how about wounding, so as to block the threat to be carried out?

Why lethal?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

We were talking about jury trials.
No you weren't.
You were talking about what a Judge could do in the performance of their duties during a trial.
You made a blanket statement that was false.
Their duties includes Jury trials, but is not limited to.

The jury decided on his guilt. A judge can't do that in a trial.
As every one can see, you said "a trial". Not a jury trial.

Your statement was wrong and it was your failure for not being specific.


But since you want to be dishonest and deflect, when all I did was point out for clarification purposes, go ahead. Everybody can see what you are doing.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

He didn't shoot the kid because of the music. He shot him because the kid threatened to kill him, displayed a means to carry through with that threat, and got out of the vehicle to do so.

Youre such a blatant liar. The kid never got out of his car, it was Dunn who got out of his and started shooting. Stop lying already and go back to stormfront.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I wasn't talking to you.
:lamo
It doesn't matter who you were talking to or not. :doh
All topic comments are open to reply.

I was talking to your BFF,
No you weren't. You are just being dishonest. It suites you well.


trying to explain to him that the vehicle was, in fact, in motion and trying to drive away as Dunn continued to fire at the vehicle.

He seemed to not believe me when I told him that the SUV was, in fact, pulling away from the scene.
Doesn't matter one bit. A threat doesn't just cease to be because it got into a vehicle. Especially as it could not be seen what the threat was doing.
That threat didn't diminish until after the vehicle was some distance away.


You verified what I said. They were moving away. 400 feet or 400 miles, they were still pulling away, as Dunn continued firing.
:naughty
No, I put in perspective what you said.
The individual was still a threat inside the vehicle and they had ample opportunity to get rid of any weapon during that time.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Youre such a blatant liar.
Stop being dishonest.


The kid never got out of his car, it was Dunn who got out of his and started shooting.
Yes he did and dove straight back in when Dunn started firing.
Davis' friend was caught lying about that in the first trial. Saying the child door locks were set so he couldn't possibly have got out. But that just wasn't true as found out by the evidence.
The entry angles of the rounds as the vehicle pulled away showed the door was open.


Stop lying already and go back to stormfront.
The only one being dishonest is you Pos.
And you really need to stop with the ridiculous stormfront baiting comments. They are as juvenile as they are pathetic.
I am not now, nor have I ever been a member there and I seriously doubt they would want me there as I am Jewish.
So stop spewing ridiculous ****.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Okay, what of warning shots to scare a threat away? Or how about wounding, so as to block the threat to be carried out?

Why lethal?
First of all you do not shoot to wound. Nor are warning shots acceptable.

Walk yourself through it.
If you perceive someone is going to shoot you, as they threatened to do, and display what you believed was the means to do it (a barrel of a gun).
Are you really going to let them shoot you first? I would hope not.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Yes he did and dove straight back in when Dunn started firing.
Davis' friend was caught lying about that in the first trial. Saying the child door locks were set so he couldn't possibly have got out. But that just wasn't true as found out by the evidence.
The entry angles of the rounds as the vehicle pulled away showed the door was open.
Show me a single news report that claims Davis got out of the car.

Even Dunn admits that Davis never left his car. Stop lying already.

The only one being dishonest is you Pos.
And you really need to stop with the ridiculous stormfront baiting comments. They are as juvenile as they are pathetic.
If it quacks like a duck...
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

If it quacks like a duck...

It quacks like a duck - a duck that's a moron. :roll:

This is stupid. It is. It's like fighting with somebody because grass is green.

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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Wrong again as already shown.

You've shown nothing of the sort. Neither you nor the defense team provided any convincing evidence that Dunn's actions were justifiable as self defense. The only thing you've shown is a willingness to accept any excuse, no matter how flimsy, for unloading a gun into a car full of teenagers and killing one of them.

Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.

"Should be" is not the same thing as "is". The reasonable person standard is used to determine if self defense is justified, not the Excon standard, and those two things clearly have nothing at all to do with one another.

No. That is not arguing in circles.

Yes, it is, but there's clearly no reasoning with you, so I'm out. I have no desire to keep banging my head against your wall.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You've shown nothing of the sort.
Wrong again. I even provided it again for you. Your narrative was flat out wrong.


Neither you nor the defense team provided any convincing evidence that Dunn's actions were justifiable as self defense.
First of all, I did. Secondly, this is an argument of the evidence, not of what the jury decided. Which you do not know why they decided as they did. For all anyone knows, the jury could have been stacked with gun haters.
So don't go spouting reasons the jury decided anything until you know for sure their reasoning.


The only thing you've shown is a willingness to accept any excuse, no matter how flimsy, for unloading a gun into a car full of teenagers and killing one of them.
You are talking nonsense and are wrong.


"Should be" is not the same thing as "is". The reasonable person standard is used to determine if self defense is justified, not the Excon standard, and those two things clearly have nothing at all to do with one another.
And again, it was reasonable. Which is not your absurd made -up "Excon" standard.
And should be is should be. And in this case, "is", as in was. No evidence disproves his account.
The threat still existed inside the vehicle. Period.


Yes, it is, but there's clearly no reasoning with you, so I'm out. I have no desire to keep banging my head against your wall.
Said the one with whom there is no reasoning with. :doh
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Show me a single news report that claims Davis got out of the car.
Frankly I don't need to. But I will just to prove your dishonesty. (see reply below)


Even Dunn admits that Davis never left his car. Stop lying already.
The only one telling lies is you.
So stop with the dishonesty already.
He clearly testified that Davis got out of the vehicle.

"He popped his door open, and he says, 'You're dead, b****,' and then he opens his door and gets out and says, 'This s***'s going down now,'" Dunn told jurors.

Michael Dunn takes stand, retrial jury to get case Wednesday

Start @30:48


One news report.
One video of Dunn saying the same thing as in the news report.
Your dishonesty has been fully exposed.


The only one being dishonest is you Pos.
And you really need to stop with the ridiculous stormfront baiting comments. They are as juvenile as they are pathetic.
If it quacks like a duck...
So stop quacking. It is that simple.





It quacks like a duck - a duck that's a moron.
So you are saying you are a duck. Good to know.


Thank you for posting advice not to get involved with an argument with you.

What is really funny is you participating in the quackery of another who also doesn't know the evidence like you don't. :lamo
Well they do say birds of a feather flock together. Thanks for proving an axiom that didn't need proving. :doh
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Frankly I don't need to. But I will just to prove your dishonesty. (see reply below)


The only one telling lies is you.
So stop with the dishonesty already.
He clearly testified that Davis got out of the vehicle.

"He popped his door open, and he says, 'You're dead, b****,' and then he opens his door and gets out and says, 'This s***'s going down now,'" Dunn told jurors.

Michael Dunn takes stand, retrial jury to get case Wednesday

Start @30:48

Dunn is a liar. If he shot Davis when the latter was standing outside the boy would have been dead on the ground and there would have been blood on the ground but he died in the car so once again you have been exposed.

Two friends of slain teenager Jordan Davis testified Michael Dunn said "Are you talking to me?" in dispute over music, then started shooting - CBS News

And this too:


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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Youre such a blatant liar. The kid never got out of his car, it was Dunn who got out of his and started shooting. Stop lying already and go back to stormfront.

It doesn't matter what the stormfronter argues, the case is over. His bully is going to prison where his kind belongs.
Dunn will soon learn he isn't tough as he thought he was. Karma is a bitch.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to your BFF, trying to explain to him that the vehicle was, in fact, in motion and trying to drive away as Dunn continued to fire at the vehicle.

He seemed to not believe me when I told him that the SUV was, in fact, pulling away from the scene.

You verified what I said. They were moving away. 400 feet or 400 miles, they were still pulling away, as Dunn continued firing.

Y'all should probably get together and get your stories together before you post. It might make you look more prepared if your stories match.
So you were an eye witness.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I'm crying crocodile tears over here for the plight of the oppressed white man in America.... :boohoo:

I'm a white man so I know what a raw deal I get from society. Oppression everywhere. Poor poor me.... boo hooo waahhh waahhh...

Not crying about oppression. Just stating facts as they are in the US now. I am white too.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Not crying about oppression. Just stating facts as they are in the US now. I am white too.

Your so-called facts, and what normal people would call paranoid and baseless speculation, are false. There is simply no evidence that white men in America are getting railroaded in any way by the justice system. In most places, the police are white men, the prosecutor a white man, the judge a white man, the appeals court judges white and generally men, lawmakers white men, etc. Even the MSMDBM press is mostly whites, mostly men.

Certainly this case doesn't provide any credence to your assertions. This particular white man shot up a car full of black teenagers, killed one, drove to his hotel, walked the dog and ordered pizza, got up the next morning, find out he killed someone, and was so concerned he drove back home. If you're that big of a moron, and engage in a series of actions that peg you as a sociopath, then you have no basis to complain about oppression or that people don't believe the story you had 12 hours to sober up and invent and were so unconcerned about that you left the scene and the city.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Your so-called facts, and what normal people would call paranoid and baseless speculation, are false. There is simply no evidence that white men in America are getting railroaded in any way by the justice system. In most places, the police are white men, the prosecutor a white man, the judge a white man, the appeals court judges white and generally men, lawmakers white men, etc. Even the MSMDBM press is mostly whites, mostly men.

Certainly this case doesn't provide any credence to your assertions. This particular white man shot up a car full of black teenagers, killed one, drove to his hotel, walked the dog and ordered pizza, got up the next morning, find out he killed someone, and was so concerned he drove back home. If you're that big of a moron, and engage in a series of actions that peg you as a sociopath, then you have no basis to complain about oppression or that people don't believe the story you had 12 hours to sober up and invent and were so unconcerned about that you left the scene and the city.

Show me where I have defended Dunn's actions.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Show me where I have defended Dunn's actions.

OK, forget Dunn. There is no bias against white men, and unless you're a sociopathic moron like Dunn, white men should expect, and by most objective accounts get, privileged treatment by the U.S. justice system, as they have since the beginning of the country. White men have always and still do hold the levers of power in this country. Whining by white men about oppression by the system is laughable.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Dunn is a liar.
:doh Said the one who was shown to be engaged in such.
And your assertion has not been proven by the evidence.


If he shot Davis when the latter was standing outside the boy would have been dead on the ground and there would have been blood on the ground but he died in the car so once again you have been exposed.
You are talking nonsense.
Who said he hit him outside of the car?
All you are doing is showing you do not know the evidence.
As presented during the first trial Davis immediately dove into the vehicle when he saw Dunn's gun, and Dunn began firing.
Which explains the angle of entrance of the wounds.
Stop talking about **** you do not know.


so once again you have been exposed.
:lamo
Said the one exposed telling the untruths.


Two friends of slain teenager Jordan Davis testified Michael Dunn said "Are you talking to me?" in dispute over music, then started shooting
Two friends of slain teenager Jordan Davis testified Michael Dunn said "Are you talking to me?" in dispute over music, then started shooting - CBS News
So you do not know how to discern what is credible and what isn't. Figures.
The friends accounts are not credible.

From your link.

Both Thompson and Brunson said that it was Davis who escalated the verbal sparring. The teens told the court that they never heard Dunn curse or yell at Davis.
Credible as nothing shows it to be untrue.

So why do you think they never heard such? How about because Dunn wasn't acting out anger, spite, or disrespect which would have caused him to act in such a manner.
Dunn wasn't acting because he felt disrespected as those who can not know or even understand the evidence claim.
Which only leaves Dunn's account of threats to his life being the reason he reacted.

Thompson testified that he couldn’t hear everything Davis said, but that he didn’t hear him threaten Dunn in any way,
The underlined is not credible because of the statement that preceded it.
If he couldn't hear everything said, then he can not say with any certainty what wasn't said.
If folks do not understand that, something is wrong.

and that he was certain Davis never tried to get out of the car during the argument. Brunson testified that in order for Davis, who was sitting in the back passenger seat, to get out of the car, someone in the driver's seat would have had to unlock the child-proof locks for him.
Not credible, as was disproved by entry angle of the rounds fired. The door was open.

And during the first trial the safety lock bs was shown to be false showing the friends were liars. Which wasn't the only thing that showed they had lied.


And this too:
The former medical examiner who performed the autopsy on Mr. Davis also testified Monday that it was “unlikely” Mr. Davis was standing when he was shot. This contradicted the claim that Mr. Davis was out of the Durango. The wounds, the examiner said, indicated that Mr. Davis, who bore no traces of alcohol or drugs, was sitting in the vehicle and leaning away.
:doh
You do not seem to remember what a piss poor witness that med examiner was. Most likely because you do not know the evidence.
I would suggest you review her direct and cross.
And again. The angle of the wounds are consistent with his diving back into the vehicle.


Pretty much irrelevant.
Ms. Rouer not remembering what she was told means nothing. We saw how shaken up and fragile she was when she was on the stand the first time.
She isn't all there. Her not remembering means nothing.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

It doesn't matter what the stormfronter argues, the case is over. His bully is going to prison where his kind belongs.
Dunn will soon learn he isn't tough as he thought he was. Karma is a bitch.
You need to check yourself and your false assertions about others.

And clearly you have no clue as to how Dunn will be living in Prison.
Unless there is some psychotic individual out to harm him, he will do just fine.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

There is simply no evidence that white men in America are getting railroaded in any way by the justice system.
Really?
While overall conviction statistics, by sheer number of convictions, would suggest folks are getting railroaded, as well as studies that show some folks cop to crimes they haven't committed, as well as the Innocence Project showing that folks are convicted when they haven't committed a crime, I don't think any one has ever done a study to see if this is happening specifically to white folks.
But if it is happening to black folks, then it is happening to folks who aren't black as well, which would include white folks.

Btw, the Innocence Project on it's own says your assertion is false.

It isn't that someone is out to railroad anybody, it is the nature of the system.
Once a person is accused, the deck is stacked against them. No matter their race.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

OK, forget Dunn. There is no bias against white men, and unless you're a sociopathic moron like Dunn, white men should expect, and by most objective accounts get, privileged treatment by the U.S. justice system, as they have since the beginning of the country. White men have always and still do hold the levers of power in this country. Whining by white men about oppression by the system is laughable.

You miss my point, one I have made many times before on here about SD shootings.
 
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