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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Hard to justify?
Depends on the incident.

In this case, on how the information was presented and argued to the Jury.
The person threatened to kill him was perceived to have the means and apparently was acting on the threat by getting out of the vehicle to carry through with the threat.
The threat had been established, and even though that threat ducked for cover, it was still present in the vehicle while the shots were fired.
Nor was there any way he could have seen if they were preparing to return fire or not. Continuing to fire until the threat ceases to be a threat is logical and normal.
And that only happened after the vehicle with the threat still inside got far enough away.

There was no threat.

Only stupid people would claim otherwise.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

He already had over 60 years (minimum) coming on the prior convictions. It is nice to know that one cannot be preemptively executed because someone thinks that they might have had a gun.

What were the prior convictions? Haven't been following this closely, I just remember hearing about it right after it happened. The fact that he went about his day business as usual shows that he is one sick puppy! People are murdered all the time with no suspect. It wouldn't surprise me one bit that he's killed before and just never got caught.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

The wisdom of the Dunn defenders around here is that as long as you call them thugs it is open season on black teens.

Are we executing this guy? I'm guessing not. Maybe we could have a firing squad, but he retains his gun rights and gets one too? I'm thinking we may have a new reality TV show.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

well if the vehicle was trying to run an armed guy down that might justify hosing it down when no one in the car was a firing at you

Was the car running him down?;)

I guess he could have thought at any time they could have gone into reverse at light speed and nailed him. ;)
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Good. That's what you get for killing someone in a fit of rage.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I would like to see a ban on white guys murdering un-armed black teens.

that wouldn't do much about crime

NOW if you would ban black guys killing white guys that would stop far more murders

for example in my hometown

Arrest made in ATM technician's slaying
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I don't see the Judge setting aside the verdict.

neither do I, I was just correcting and erroneous statement about how courts work
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

i would like to see a ban on black kids killing black kids. where is the outrage?
ol yea black on black violence who cares right?

and here is the race card epic fail.

I would like to see a ban on white guys murdering un-armed black teens.

that wouldn't do much about crime

NOW if you would ban black guys killing white guys that would stop far more murders

for example in my hometown

Arrest made in ATM technician's slaying

How about putting an end to violence, period? Geesh.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

that wouldn't do much about crime

NOW if you would ban black guys killing white guys that would stop far more murders

for example in my hometown

Arrest made in ATM technician's slaying
You might see less Blacks killing whites, but first angry stupid old white men need to stop killing unarmed black men for playing loud music, lol...

Violence breeds violence, were not living in th 60s anymore and old angry white guys can't get away with **** anymore playing the i was scared of the dark skinned guy, nope won't fly anymore..

Hopefully Dunn will face hell on earth in prison, the jig is up!!
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

How about putting an end to violence, period? Geesh.

murder is illegal
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Personally, I support the conviction. Dunn made false allegations that one of the teens had pointed a shotgun at him. A shotgun is large and no reasonable person could make such an "error." IMO, this argument hinted at a calculated attempt to cover for what he had done following an incident that Dunn instigated. He also fled the scene and didn't report the incident. If someone killed in self-defense, he or she almost certainly would call the police so as to make clear what he or she had done and why. Therefore, his claim of self defense appeared not questionable but completely without merit.

Did he trigger the incident with the intent to kill? From The New York Times:

Prosecutors damaged his credibility by putting Rhonda Rouer, Mr. Dunn’s former fiancée, on the stand. In tearful testimony, Ms. Rouer, who was inside the store when the shooting took place, said Mr. Dunn complained about “thug” music. And in the night and day after the shooting, he never once mentioned that a teenager had pulled out a firearm.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/u...h-of-florida-youth-in-loud-music-dispute.html

IMO, the prosecutors demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that Dunn had targeted people with the intent to kill. That he devised an excuse about seeing a shotgun, not a smaller handgun, at some point after he murdered the teen shows that it took him time to come up with a rationalization. There was no self-defense. Almost certainly, he came up with his rationalization only after he was arrested after fleeing the scene of his crime.

In sum, I believe the jury made exactly the right decision. This was a case of premeditated murder. He chose his victims on the basis of the music they were playing, triggered a confrontation, then fired at his victims, fled the scene, then invented an excuse after his arrest. He deserves life without parole for his crime.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You might see less Blacks killing whites, but first angry stupid old white men need to stop killing unarmed black men for playing loud music, lol...

Violence breeds violence, were not living in th 60s anymore and old angry white guys can't get away with **** anymore playing the i was scared of the dark skinned guy, nope won't fly anymore..

Hopefully Dunn will face hell on earth in prison, the jig is up!!

so killing an ATM repairman for no reason is worse than shooting some black kid who was playing music too loud? or do you think its ok for blacks to kill whites to steal property?


the fact that blacks kill far more whites (are you following that case where a white UVA female student apparently has been killed by some black mope?) for ILLEGAL reasons than the converse. and that has been going on for over 50 years.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:lamo
Yeah I can, because he is. Wrongfully charged and wrongfully convicted.
Still innocent.
That does happen in our justice system. Or didn't you know that?

And the real thug died.



:damn
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Did anyone expected Dunn will go out of this trial without a prison for shooting teenagers because they were playing laud music?

The appeal to connect the murder with Treyvon though seemed a bit dramatic (see link in post 1).
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

So are we arguing black or white?

I wasn't the one arguing race until someone else tried to make this a blame whitey rant. I am merely noting that when it comes to interracial murders blacks kill far more whites than vice versa. and racism may have some role but may not depending on the crime.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Personally, I support the conviction. Dunn made false allegations that one of the teens had pointed a shotgun at him. A shotgun is large and no reasonable person could make such an "error." IMO, this argument hinted at a calculated attempt to cover for what he had done following an incident that Dunn instigated. He also fled the scene and didn't report the incident. If someone killed in self-defense, he or she almost certainly would call the police so as to make clear what he or she had done and why. Therefore, his claim of self defense appeared not questionable but completely without merit.

Did he trigger the incident with the intent to kill? From The New York Times:

Prosecutors damaged his credibility by putting Rhonda Rouer, Mr. Dunn’s former fiancée, on the stand. In tearful testimony, Ms. Rouer, who was inside the store when the shooting took place, said Mr. Dunn complained about “thug” music. And in the night and day after the shooting, he never once mentioned that a teenager had pulled out a firearm.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/u...h-of-florida-youth-in-loud-music-dispute.html

IMO, the prosecutors demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that Dunn had targeted people with the intent to kill. That he devised an excuse about seeing a shotgun, not a smaller handgun, at some point after he murdered the teen shows that it took him time to come up with a rationalization. There was no self-defense. Almost certainly, he came up with his rationalization only after he was arrested after fleeing the scene of his crime.

In sum, I believe the jury made exactly the right decision. This was a case of premeditated murder. He chose his victims on the basis of the music they were playing, triggered a confrontation, then fired at his victims, fled the scene, then invented an excuse after his arrest. He deserves life without parole for his crime.

The bold is why I definitely think his plea of "self defense" was bull****. If you legitimately feel that you were threatened by someone and had a legitimate reason to shoot and kill them, you do not leave the scene of the incident and go about your business as if nothing happened. Even if just a fit of rage, how can you not feel any remorse at all after the adrenaline and other chemicals decline?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

so killing an ATM repairman for no reason is worse than shooting some black kid who was playing music too loud? or do you think its ok for blacks to kill whites to steal property?


the fact that blacks kill far more whites (are you following that case where a white UVA female student apparently has been killed by some black mope?) for ILLEGAL reasons than the converse. and that has been going on for over 50 years.
So what if he plays his music loud, i guess whites believe that they have the right to tell black men how loud their music should be?? F you..
I don't see many black men confronting white guys about their loud ass jacked up trucks, that blast pollution everywhere...
Like i said there will be less Blacks killing whites, when angry whites, stop killing, minorities, and who feel like the world owes them everything because they have pasty skin, and stop blaming all of their shortcomings on Blacks and Hispanics, racism breeds more racism, and violence breeds more violence..
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:lamo
Yeah I can, because he is. Wrongfully charged and wrongfully convicted.
Still innocent.
That does happen in our justice system. Or didn't you know that?

And the real thug died.

^^^^
TRANSLATION: It is a shame that we can't lynch niggers anymore and get away with it.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

So what if he plays his music loud, i guess whites believe that they have the right to tell black men how loud their music should be?? F you..
I don't see many black men confronting white guys about their loud ass jacked up trucks, that blast pollution everywhere...
Like i said there will be less Blacks killing whites, when angry whites, stop killing, minorities, and who feel like the world owes them everything because they have pasty skin, and stop blaming all of their shortcomings on Blacks and Hispanics, racism breeds more racism, and violence breeds more violence..

so it is your learned position that the reason why black males commit over HALF the murders in the USA and KILL far more whites than whites kill blacks is because angry whites murder blacks

your idiotic comment OOZES racist nonsense
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

^^^^
TRANSLATION: It is a shame that we can't lynch niggers anymore and get away with it.

that's even silly given the context Dana
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:lamo
Yeah I can, because he is. Wrongfully charged and wrongfully convicted.
Still innocent.
That does happen in our justice system. Or didn't you know that?

And the real thug died.

I agree... reality is highly overrated.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I hope the POS enjoys everyday in prison...fully.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

that's even silly given the context Dana

I respectfully disagree with you. Racism is still very much alive and well. Some people try to hide it, but it sticks out like a sore thumb. Tell me how the conversation in this thread would have gone down had the shooter been black and firing into a car full of white people.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I respectfully disagree with you. Racism is still very much alive and well. Tell me how the conversation would have gone down had the shooter been black and firing into a car full of white people.

I don't disagree that racism is alive and well-both ways. I am sure we'd have the same type of posts-just different posters
 
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