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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Yup, should have walked away from the situation . He would be a free man.


    Davis was getting out of the car to carry through with his threat to kill him. That is not something you walk away from, especially as he was sitting in a vehicle.

    Nor is that what the law requires.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    Davis was getting out of the car to carry through with his threat to kill him. That is not something you walk away from, especially as he was sitting in a vehicle.

    Nor is that what the law requires.
    I will wait for the appeals.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I will wait for the appeals.


    Again you speak nonsense.
    Figures.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

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    Again you speak nonsense.
    Figures.
    I am glad you realize that Dunn filing for an appeal is nonsense. Glad you came to your senses.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I am glad you realize that Dunn filing for an appeal is nonsense. Glad you came to your senses.
    And still you engage in nonsense. Figures.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Just so the facts are clear, Dunn was convicted, because he fired on unarmed teens, even as those teens were attempting to flee the confrontation Dunn provoked. From The New York Times:

    In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire. Three bullets hit Mr. Davis.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/us...c-dispute.html

    This was not a situation where someone got out of the vehicle and posed a threat to Davis. Moreover, Dunn fled the seen without even notifying the police. The New York Times added:

    Mr. Dunn fled the scene and never called the police, not even after he learned that someone had died. Instead, he and the woman who was then his fiancée drove to their hotel, where he walked the dog, poured himself a rum and Coke and ordered a pizza. The next day he drove two and a half hours back to his house in Satellite Beach, where the police, who by then had his license plate number, arrested him.

    Any person who shot someone else in self-defense would have notified the police. IMO, the jury found the only way it could given the facts of the case. I support both the verdict and the sentence.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Just so the facts are clear, Dunn was convicted, because he fired on unarmed teens, even as those teens were attempting to flee the confrontation Dunn provoked. From The New York Times:

    In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire. Three bullets hit Mr. Davis.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/us...c-dispute.html

    This was not a situation where someone got out of the vehicle and posed a threat to Davis. Moreover, Dunn fled the seen without even notifying the police. The New York Times added:

    Mr. Dunn fled the scene and never called the police, not even after he learned that someone had died. Instead, he and the woman who was then his fiancée drove to their hotel, where he walked the dog, poured himself a rum and Coke and ordered a pizza. The next day he drove two and a half hours back to his house in Satellite Beach, where the police, who by then had his license plate number, arrested him.

    Any person who shot someone else in self-defense would have notified the police. IMO, the jury found the only way it could given the facts of the case. I support both the verdict and the sentence.


    Dunn did not provoke it.
    He was responding to the threat Davis made himself to be.
    And Dunn did not know he had shot Davis until the next morning.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    Dunn did not provoke it.
    He was responding to the threat Davis made himself to be.
    And Dunn did not know he had shot Davis until the next morning.
    He most definitely provoked the confrontation by demanding that the teens turn down their music. He later invented an alibi of self-defense hat the jury didn't find credible. As the same NYT article notes:

    “I’m petrified,” Mr. Dunn told the jury. “I’m in fear for my life. This guy just threatened to kill me — and he showed me a gun. ”

    Prosecutors damaged his credibility by putting Rhonda Rouer, Mr. Dunn’s former fiancée, on the stand. In tearful testimony, Ms. Rouer, who was inside the store when the shooting took place, said Mr. Dunn complained about “thug” music. And in the night and day after the shooting, he never once mentioned that a teenager had pulled out a firearm.


    Moreover, the notion that Dunn "did not know" he had shot Davis is also absurd. The news story notes, "Taking the stand in his own defense, Mr. Dunn told jurors on Tuesday that he shot Mr. Davis again and again..." Shot someone "again and again" is not the same thing as "not knowing."

    The jury deserves a lot of credit for teasing through Dunn's diversions in looking strictly at the facts. Dunn didn't like the music. He demanded its being turned down. The teens refused and responded with insults. Dunn was angry about the insults and decided to harm them even as the teens never posed a meaningful threat to him. Afterward, he fled the scene despite having fired "again and again" at Davis. At some latter point in time, he created an alibi that a shotgun had been pointed at him.

    Had he shot in self-defense, he would have informed the police immediately afterward as soon as he felt he was no longer in danger. Instead, he fled the scene, ordered pizza at his hotel, and then simply drove home the next day as if nothing had happened. Had a shotgun been pointed at him, he most certainly would have told his fiance that critical detail, just as he complained to her about "thug music." He didn't, almost certainly because he conceived his alibi afterward.

    Are the news accounts inaccurate? Given how many news accounts described a similar series of events, I highly doubt it. Assuming those news accounts are accurate, I can't see how the jury could have done otherwise. The only contentious issue might be the issue of premeditated murder vs. some lesser murder/manslaughter charge.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    And from The Washington Post:

    In November 2012, Dunn shot Davis at a gas station after an argument involving the music coming from a vehicle carrying Davis and three other teenagers.

    Dunn fired 10 times at the vehicle, shooting even as the vehicle pulled away. Davis died soon after being shot, while the two other people in the car narrowly missed being shot themselves.


    Michael Dunn sentenced to life without parole for ‘loud music’ killing of Jordan Davis - The Washington Post

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    And in terms of Dunn's provoking the fight, from The Los Angeles Times:

    In November 2012, Dunn became embroiled in an argument with Jordan and three other teens after he asked them to turn down their music in a convenience store parking lot in Jacksonville.

    Florida man sentenced to life in prison over loud-music killing - LA Times

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