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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes it IS over. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
    Something says this isn't the first time this guy has used his gun to bully others.
    Most normal people don't shoot up a car full of teens then drive to a motel to have a peaceful night of pizza and a movie.

    What a walking pile of cow manure. Good riddance.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Something says this isn't the first time this guy has used his gun to bully others.
    Now that you mention it, Dunn was strongly suspected of assaulting two street preachers because he found their presence outside a bar to be annoying. The police stopped the investigation when one of the preachers could not ID Dunn and the other, though able to identify him, dropped the charges.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's not what the judge and jury decided.
    And? You think don't think people know what being found guilty means?
    That's odd.


    And just like in case where a not guilty verdict is returned and folks say (That doesn't mean he didn't do it.)
    The same applies here. Being found guilty doesn't mean he did it.


    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    He shouldn't have shot and killed that young man.
    You can believe that nonsense all you want. But that young man was threatening to kill and pointed an object at him that he believed was a gun.
    Under those circumstances that young man deserved what he got.





    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No it's really a great day for US and for those who think allowing stupid people to carry around guns is a very stupid idea.

    Dunn will of course just melt right in with the skin heads.
    While you obvious agree with the verdict, your opinion about it is wrong.
    It is a sad day for him, just like I stated.





    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Why do you think he should walk?
    Because he saw the person point something at him which he thought was a gun and was accompanied by threats to kill.
    His fear was real and reasonable given the circumstances.

    Not to mention that there was no real premeditation.





    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    Good day for justice, the jury was spot on!!

    You just can't go killing someone because you were dissed,
    He didn't kill anyone because of any dissing.
    The thug threatened to kill him and pointing an object that appeared to be a gun at him.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.





    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    He got what he deserved.

    No he didn't. He should have walked.





    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Justice has been done to a murderer.
    The justice system worked it's course. The verdict was wrong.





    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Well even more good news to come out of a really stupid and tragic incident. I do agree "he should have walked"... Right away from the car with loud music and stfu. He might have still had a life if he had done so.
    If that is the way you want to look at it then, the good news from all of this is the thug who was threatening his life was killed.





    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I agree 100% with the verdict. He shot the guy with malice of forethought. That is first degree murder.

    Then you do not know what malice aforethought means.
    He shot in fear of his life in defense of himself. That is reaction to a threat, not malice or premeditation.





    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    but he definitely should have been convicted of something. The case clearly wasn't self defense.
    It was a case of self defense.
    The individual threatened to kill him and pointed something at him which appeared to be a gun.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.
    Funny thing here is that the tripod/stand was found under the seat yet nobody suggested that a leg of that is what he could have pointed at him through the window.





    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    He already had over 60 years (minimum) coming on the prior convictions. It is nice to know that one cannot be preemptively executed because someone thinks that they might have had a gun.
    See answer below.


    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Unless I've got it wrong, this verdict is pretty much irrelevant unless the death penalty comes into play. Based on his previous convictions, he was never getting out of prison.
    Had his firing been determined to have been justified this time around, those previous conviction stood a good change at being overturned.

    You can't tell a person they are justified in shooting at a perceived threat only to turn around and hold them culpable for other crimes while justly shooting at that very threat.

    Alas, "had" is neither here nor there now.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And? You think don't think people know what being found guilty means?
    That's odd.


    And just like in case where a not guilty verdict is returned and folks say (That doesn't mean he didn't do it.)
    The same applies here. Being found guilty doesn't mean he did it.



    You can believe that nonsense all you want. But that young man was threatening to kill and pointed an object at him that he believed was a gun.
    Under those circumstances that young man deserved what he got.





    While you obvious agree with the verdict, your opinion about it is wrong.
    It is a sad day for him, just like I stated.





    Because he saw the person point something at him which he thought was a gun and was accompanied by threats to kill.
    His fear was real and reasonable given the circumstances.

    Not to mention that there was no real premeditation.





    He didn't kill anyone because of any dissing.
    The thug threatened to kill him and pointing an object that appeared to be a gun at him.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.






    No he didn't. He should have walked.





    The justice system worked it's course. The verdict was wrong.





    If that is the way you want to look at it then, the good news from all of this is the thug who was threatening his life was killed.






    Then you do not know what malice aforethought means.
    He shot in fear of his life in defense of himself. That is reaction to a threat, not malice or premeditation.






    It was a case of self defense.
    The individual threatened to kill him and pointed something at him which appeared to be a gun.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.
    Funny thing here is that the tripod/stand was found under the seat yet nobody suggested that a leg of that is what he could have pointed at him through the window.





    See answer below.

    Had his firing been determined to have been justified this time around, those previous conviction stood a good change at being overturned.

    You can't tell a person they are justified in shooting at a perceived threat only to turn around and hold them culpable for other crimes while justly shooting at that very threat.

    Alas, "had" is neither here nor there now.
    The jury sat through all the testimony that was given in the trial, and all 12 jurors agreed unanimously that there WAS malice of forethought, but I forget. You can sit in your chair at your computer, without ever having stepped into that courtroom and say that I don't know what I am talking about. I DO know what I am talking about because I took the jury's word for it. After all, they were there, I wasn't. And your claim of fear for his life is laughable. After all, he had a gun, they were unarmed. And they didn't even try to get out of the car. He fired into it. Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. Do you actually believe the BS you are posting here? Freaking incredible.

    Yea, this WAS first degree murder, and the good part of this is that this POS will not have another opportunity to shoot an unarmed black man for the rest of his pathetic life, which will probably be pretty damn short if he is not kept in solitary confinement for the duration of his sentence. Serves him right. May he rot, and after he dies, may he rot in hell.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    From what I read it didn't sound premeditated to me. I don't think it meets the legal definition of murder 1.
    Premeditation can occur in the split second before the trigger is pulled.
    It speaks to thought process not time.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The jury sat through all the testimony that was given in the trial, and all 12 jurors agreed unanimously that there WAS malice of forethought,
    And they were wrong. Juries and Jurors get things wrong all the time.
    Some do so purposely. Are you not aware of that?


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I DO know what I am talking about because I took the jury's word for it.

    You accepting what the Jury did or did not do, is irrelevant to you actually knowing what you are talking about.
    What you engaged in is called mimicking, or didn't you know that?


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And your claim of fear for his life is laughable.
    No evidence showed he wasn't in fear.
    And he certainly was as demonstrated by grab his firearm in self-defense.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    After all, he had a gun, they were unarmed.

    No. No weapon was found but they had plenty of opportunity to get rid of any that they had.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And they didn't even try to get out of the car. He fired into it. Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. Do you actually believe the BS you are posting here? Freaking incredible.

    Freaking incredible is correct. The young man did get out of the car and dove back in. You clearly don't know the evidence, so you should just stop spouting this embarrassing nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, this WAS first degree murder,
    No it really wasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    and the good part of this is ...
    The good thing about this is that the thug is dead and will not be able to threaten anyone else.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    May he rot, and after he dies, may he rot in hell.
    iLOL Ain't gonna happen. iLOL
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And? You think don't think people know what being found guilty means?
    That's odd.


    And just like in case where a not guilty verdict is returned and folks say (That doesn't mean he didn't do it.)
    The same applies here. Being found guilty doesn't mean he did it.



    You can believe that nonsense all you want. But that young man was threatening to kill and pointed an object at him that he believed was a gun.
    Under those circumstances that young man deserved what he got.





    While you obvious agree with the verdict, your opinion about it is wrong.
    It is a sad day for him, just like I stated.





    Because he saw the person point something at him which he thought was a gun and was accompanied by threats to kill.
    His fear was real and reasonable given the circumstances.

    Not to mention that there was no real premeditation.





    He didn't kill anyone because of any dissing.
    The thug threatened to kill him and pointing an object that appeared to be a gun at him.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.






    No he didn't. He should have walked.





    The justice system worked it's course. The verdict was wrong.





    If that is the way you want to look at it then, the good news from all of this is the thug who was threatening his life was killed.






    Then you do not know what malice aforethought means.
    He shot in fear of his life in defense of himself. That is reaction to a threat, not malice or premeditation.





    It was a case of self defense.
    The individual threatened to kill him and pointed something at him which appeared to be a gun.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.
    Funny thing here is that the tripod/stand was found under the seat yet nobody suggested that a leg of that is what he could have pointed at him through the window.





    See answer below.

    Had his firing been determined to have been justified this time around, those previous conviction stood a good change at being overturned.

    You can't tell a person they are justified in shooting at a perceived threat only to turn around and hold them culpable for other crimes while justly shooting at that very threat.

    Alas, "had" is neither here nor there now.
    Bottom line ...
    A murdering, gun crazy, racist, bullying, scumbag THUG will spend the rest of his life rotting away in prison, with no chance of parole.
    Unarmed black teens are just a little bit safer because of that.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Bottom line ...
    A murdering, gun crazy, racist, bullying, scumbag THUG will spend the rest of his life rotting away in prison, with no chance of parole.
    Unarmed black teens are just a little bit safer because of that.

    Wrong. An innocent man will be doing time for a crime he did not commit. And the community is a lot safer with the real thug having killed.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    Spare me the BS, about Chicago, Chicago had not a damn thing to do with this occurrence or trial..

    Rednecks in Texas kill each other, just like blacks kill other blacks in Chicago...
    Oh, it's just BS in Chicago? Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was multiple murders.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Wrong. An innocent man will be doing time for a crime he did not commit. And the community is a lot safer with the real thug having killed.
    Ya can't call him innocent anymore excon...
    He is a convicted 1st degree murderer.
    The real THUG pulled the trigger that night and now justice has been served.

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