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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Really?
    While overall conviction statistics, by sheer number of convictions, would suggest folks are getting railroaded, as well as studies that show some folks cop to crimes they haven't committed, as well as the Innocence Project showing that folks are convicted when they haven't committed a crime, I don't think any one has ever done a study to see if this is happening specifically to white folks.
    But if it is happening to black folks, then it is happening to folks who aren't black as well, which would include white folks.

    Btw, the Innocence Project on it's own says your assertion is false.

    It isn't that someone is out to railroad anybody, it is the nature of the system.
    Once a person is accused, the deck is stacked against them. No matter their race.
    Those are a lot of general statements, but fair enough IMO. And if someone wants to make a general case about occasional or frequent abuses by prosecutors, I'm not going to disagree, but from getting stopped by police, then potentially going in front of a prosecutor who decides whether to press charges, and if charged in front of a judge and jury, I would rather be a white male than any other possible demographic in the U.S. in every single step of that process.

    And Crue Cab made this explicitly about race, and I was responding to his very SPECIFIC claim, not the more general claim you're presenting - this statement, "Shoot a black person as a white person your odds of claiming SD and prevailing are zero."

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Those are a lot of general statements, but fair enough IMO. And if someone wants to make a general case about occasional or frequent abuses by prosecutors, I'm not going to disagree, but from getting stopped by police, then potentially going in front of a prosecutor who decides whether to press charges, and if charged in front of a judge and jury, I would rather be a white male than any other possible demographic in the U.S. in every single step of that process.

    And Crue Cab made this explicitly about race, and I was responding to his very SPECIFIC claim, not the more general claim you're presenting - this statement, "Shoot a black person as a white person your odds of claiming SD and prevailing are zero."
    I made nothing about "race" only reminding you of the circumstances going on in our country. Think Zimmerman will ever have a normal life, or the whole city of Ferguson?

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You miss my point, one I have made many times before on here about SD shootings.
    If you want to make a general claim about self defense shootings, don't make a specific claim involving only WHITE men who shoot BLACK men.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I made nothing about "race" only reminding you of the circumstances going on in our country. Think Zimmerman will ever have a normal life, or the whole city of Ferguson?
    ????? It's right there, and bolded and underlined for your convenience.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    How about putting an end to violence, period? Geesh.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It quacks like a duck - a duck that's a moron.

    This is stupid. It is. It's like fighting with somebody because grass is green.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No you weren't.
    You were talking about what a Judge could do in the performance of their duties during a trial.
    You made a blanket statement that was false.
    Their duties includes Jury trials, but is not limited to.

    As every one can see, you said "a trial". Not a jury trial.

    Your statement was wrong and it was your failure for not being specific.


    But since you want to be dishonest and deflect, when all I did was point out for clarification purposes, go ahead. Everybody can see what you are doing.
    Oh please.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh please.
    Yes. You are welcome.
    You should really endeavor to keep what you say specific and accurate.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes. You are welcome.
    You should really endeavor to keep what you say specific and accurate.
    You should endeavor to read and keep up with a conversation so that your posts don't reflect foolishness in the future.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You should endeavor to read and keep up with a conversation so that your posts don't reflect foolishness in the future.
    As that didn't happen, you are the only one to blame for not being specific and making false statements.
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