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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    I think he would have walked if he called 911 immediately after the shooting, and if he also stayed at the scene. His lack of reporting what happened and leaving the scene is extremely suspicious. [The SUV could have been searched immediately for a shotgun that way too.]
    Maybe, maybe not. If you use those posting here as an example, I would have to say "not".





    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't sit on the jury so I have no clue if this was "premeditated" or not, but from what I can see, he certainly deserved punishment for killing someone who offended his lifestyle or noise tolerance or whatever. If I shot every idiot who played his music too loud and it annoyed me, I would have been in jail decades ago. We don't get to shoot people because they piss us off.
    He didn't shoot the kid because of the music. He shot him because the kid threatened to kill him, displayed a means to carry through with that threat, and got out of the vehicle to do so.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Just for clarification purposes.
    You seem to be forgetting bench trials. And in such trial Judges in the US never decide innocence. It is always a determination of the level of guilt. Guilty/not guilty.
    No I didn't forget: I wasn't referring to bench trials because the subject was jury trials.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Just for clarification purposes.
    You seem to be forgetting bench trials. And in such trial Judges in the US never decide innocence. It is always a determination of the level of guilt. Guilty/not guilty.
    Jury trial

    the judge determines the LAW and instructs the JURY on the LAW

    the Jury is the "judge of the facts" and makes determinations of credibility of witnesses and find the facts. The parties submit jury instructions (i.e. the LAW) to the judge and at a "charge conference" the Judge determines what law shall be given to the Judge of the facts (the jury)

    IN a bench trial, the judge is both the finder of fact and determines the law. IN A BENCH trial, the judge normally requires each party to submit PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT and CONCLUSIONS OF LAW



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No I didn't forget: I wasn't referring to bench trials because the subject was jury trials.
    Your statement was a blanket statement covering trials. Not the specific type.
    Here is your original comment.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The jury decided on his guilt. A judge can't do that in a trial.
    Nowhere did you distinguish between the type of trials.
    So while you may have meant only in jury trials you did not specify such.
    So yes, a judge can do that in a trial, a bench trial, where the Judge is also the Jury.


    Which is why I said, "for clarification purposes".
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    ....and the word THUG don't forget, ya gotta call the victim a THUG, then murder is OK and it's open season on un-armed black teens.
    He had arms, two of them.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    I think he would have walked if he called 911 immediately after the shooting, and if he also stayed at the scene. His lack of reporting what happened and leaving the scene is extremely suspicious. [The SUV could have been searched immediately for a shotgun that way too.]
    The only chance he ever had was to talk to the police immediately. But I do not think things would have been that much different.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your statement was a blanket statement covering trials. Not the specific type.
    Here is your original comment.
    Nowhere did you distinguish between the type of trials.
    So while you may have meant only in jury trials you did not specify such.
    So yes, a judge can do that in a trial, a bench trial, where the Judge is also the Jury.


    Which is why I said, "for clarification purposes".
    We were talking about jury trials.
    The jury decided on his guilt
    If you are going to interpret my comment as including bench trials then I can't help you.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I had not heard that the suv was in motion. Who's testimony is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    They tried to leave when Dunn was firing into the car.
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You were an eye witness?
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    No, I live nearby and it's on the news all the time.



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    Besides, according to all the Dunn apologists, aren't they saying that that's how they got rid of the "mystery weapon?" Now either they left or they didn't. Y'all need to make up your minds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Showing you do not understand the evidence.
    They traveled into another parking lot. Over 400 feet away.
    The police didn't immediately search that area. And it wasn't searched until days after they were informed.
    So yes they could have disposed of something immediately and it not have been found. Especially as it was, IIRC, the drivers aunt and cousin who were in the area at the time. The driver called them instead of 911. And he even lied about that.
    I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to your BFF, trying to explain to him that the vehicle was, in fact, in motion and trying to drive away as Dunn continued to fire at the vehicle.

    He seemed to not believe me when I told him that the SUV was, in fact, pulling away from the scene.

    You verified what I said. They were moving away. 400 feet or 400 miles, they were still pulling away, as Dunn continued firing.

    Y'all should probably get together and get your stories together before you post. It might make you look more prepared if your stories match.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He didn't shoot at anybody because of loud music.,
    Saying such is a mischaracterization of what happened.
    Dunn shot Davis because Davis became a threat.
    Davis even got out of the vehicle to carry through with that threat.
    That is why he was shot. Not because the music was loud.
    Okay, what of warning shots to scare a threat away? Or how about wounding, so as to block the threat to be carried out?

    Why lethal?
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    We were talking about jury trials.
    No you weren't.
    You were talking about what a Judge could do in the performance of their duties during a trial.
    You made a blanket statement that was false.
    Their duties includes Jury trials, but is not limited to.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The jury decided on his guilt. A judge can't do that in a trial.
    As every one can see, you said "a trial". Not a jury trial.

    Your statement was wrong and it was your failure for not being specific.


    But since you want to be dishonest and deflect, when all I did was point out for clarification purposes, go ahead. Everybody can see what you are doing.
    Last edited by Excon; 10-03-14 at 05:40 AM.
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