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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    In Cincinnati, a guy was charged with second degree murder. apparently he shot a dealer he bought drugs from. He claimed self defense. The jury, correctly figuring he was a scum bag (he was carrying a pistol illegally, and buying crack cocaine) convicted him. a Lady judge set aside the verdict finding that his claim of self defense was the only proper conclusion a reasonable jury could find, since there was undisputed evidence that the dead dealer had a weapon in his hand and the forensic evidence was that the dead dealer had fired first. plus another user testified that the same dealer had ripped him off at gun point shortly before the defendant killed the dealer
    I would call this one manslaughter at the very least. Since the man was committing an illegal activity by purchasing drugs, any other activity that arises out of the transaction can be prosecuted. At least that's the way it is in Texas. Don't know about other parts of the country though.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, TD has a point. A judge does have the power to overturn what he considers to be a bad verdict. The defense would have to make a motion to set aside the jury's judgment, then the judge may or may not do it. In this case however, no way in hell.


    Over turning a conviction is not deciding guilt or innocence. You understand that yeah?
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Over turning a conviction is not deciding guilt or innocence. You understand that yeah?
    Actually it is. Once the verdict is set aside, then the defendant is judged innocent by the court. This is exactly what happened in my own case.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I would call this one manslaughter at the very least. Since the man was committing an illegal activity by purchasing drugs, any other activity that arises out of the transaction can be prosecuted. At least that's the way it is in Texas. Don't know about other parts of the country though.
    yeah he got dinged for having the weapon while engaged in the crime of buying crack cocaine and drug possession



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually it is. Once the verdict is set aside, then the defendant is judged innocent by the court. This is exactly what happened in my own case.
    technically, since the state failed to overcome your presumption of innocence, it returns. An acquittal is not the same as finding you "innocent" but not guilty and once you are not guilty, the presumption of innocence returns



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah he got dinged for having the weapon while engaged in the crime of buying crack cocaine and drug possession
    That's at least 10 years in Texas, and usually a lot more.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    technically, since the state failed to overcome your presumption of innocence, it returns. An acquittal is not the same as finding you "innocent" but not guilty and once you are not guilty, the presumption of innocence returns
    Ahh, that's right. Sorry, I don't know a lot of "Greek". LOL.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    the judge does not decide guilt or innocence
    Just for clarification purposes.
    You seem to be forgetting bench trials. And in such trial Judges in the US never decide innocence. It is always a determination of the level of guilt. Guilty/not guilty.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Yea and my name is gullible, lol.
    Okay Gullible.
    I would suggest you officially change your name so that others know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    No it's not actually. Excons argument amounts to "Lets just take the guys word for it."
    Wrong again. Figures.


    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Yes you would IF you had no other evidence. In this case, he was shown to be lying.
    Wrong again. No evidence was presented showed he was lying.





    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    ....and the word THUG don't forget, ya gotta call the victim a THUG, then murder is OK and it's open season on un-armed black teens.
    Threatening violence like Davis did makes one a thug.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If he played his music too loud some here would call him a THUG and dismiss him as being expendable.
    Stop talking nonsense.

    That kid is a hero, but the rest of what you said is unadulterated nonsense.





    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Clearly it was not, or he would not have been convicted of first degree murder.

    This was a case of a guy who was disrespected, got angry, killed a teenager because of it, and tried to claim self defense to keep himself out of prison. Fortunately it didn't work.
    Wrong again as already shown.

    So again.

    It was a case of self defense.
    The individual threatened to kill him and pointed something at him which appeared to be a gun.
    Anybody should be entitled to fire under those circumstances.

    Funny thing here is that the tripod/stand was found under the seat yet nobody suggested that a leg of that is what he could have pointed at him through the window.

    Davis threatened him and got out of the vehicle to carry through with that threat.


    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No evidence showed he wasn't in fear.
    And he certainly was as demonstrated by grab his firearm in self-defense.
    You're arguing in circles here. You're saying that he was justified in getting his gun to shoot the kid because he feared for his life. And the evidence that he feared for his life was the fact that he grabbed his gun so he could shoot the kid.
    No. That is not arguing in circles.
    Saying such is more of a reflection on your thoughts about it.
    Going for your gun in self defense certainly shows you are in fear. Duh!
    Stop with the nonsense.





    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    There was no threat.

    Only stupid people would claim otherwise.
    Only stupid people would claim there was none, especially as Davis was getting out of the vehicle to carry through with it.
    You clearly know not of what you speak.
    But I suppose you think he was getting out to give Dunn a kiss, right?





    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Good. That's what you get for killing someone in a fit of rage.
    False narrative.





    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Did anyone expected Dunn will go out of this trial without a prison for shooting teenagers because they were playing laud music?
    He didn't shoot at anybody because of loud music.,
    Saying such is a mischaracterization of what happened.
    Dunn shot Davis because Davis became a threat.
    Davis even got out of the vehicle to carry through with that threat.
    That is why he was shot. Not because the music was loud.





    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    and yet the OP thinks he's a hero for gunning an unarmed kid down over some loud music.
    Hey PoS, stop talking about stuff you do not know.





    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    ^^^^
    TRANSLATION: It is a shame that we can't lynch niggers anymore and get away with it.
    Your translator is broken and your comment is idiotic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This was a man who shot through the back of a car that was attempting to leave, thus murdering a black man. Your hero is a murderer.

    This was a man who was firing on a threat who had jumped back into a vehicle who's driver attempted to pull away. A vehicle in which it could not be seen if the threat was preparing to fire back.
    That vehicle then stopped feet away from the rear of Dunn's car. The threat was still there. It had only moved, but had not been eliminated.

    And until a vehicle in such circumstances is far enough away, the person in it is still a threat until such time as it can be determined that he is not.





    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Prosecutors dispute that friends of Jordan Davis fled after shooting | members.jacksonville.com

    Besides, according to all the Dunn apologists, aren't they saying that that's how they got rid of the "mystery weapon?" Now either they left or they didn't. Y'all need to make up your minds.
    Showing you do not understand the evidence.
    They traveled into another parking lot. Over 400 feet away.
    The police didn't immediately search that area. And it wasn't searched until days after they were informed.
    So yes they could have disposed of something immediately and it not have been found. Especially as it was, IIRC, the drivers aunt and cousin who were in the area at the time. The driver called them instead of 911. And he even lied about that.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    You are the only person to say this murderer is innocent. Scary how the internet can give you a glimpse into someone's mind that is similar to being deranged. I hope others are safe around you. Normal people don't think like that, and I really hope you are just trolling.

    1.) Your appeal to numbers is a logical fallacy.
    2.) While I may be in the minority I am not the only one.
    3.) You are just wrong all over. You obviously do not know what normal is to even suggest that you do know, or even to pass judgment on others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's true, but misses the underlying pattern:

    White on white - 2,614
    White on black - 193
    Black on black - 2,412
    Black on white - 431

    Mostly, whites kill other whites and blacks kill other blacks.
    Which misses the other underlying pattern.
    Demographics.
    Whites = 223,553,265 or 72.4 % of the population.
    African Americans = 38,929,319 or 12.6 % of the population.
    Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Percentages of their respective population is the real indicator.

    By respective percentages of population, Blacks on a whole engage in such activity far more (multiple times more) than whites do.
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