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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it depends on the ruling. if it is based on a factual finding, no appeal by the government. If its based on a legal ruling by the court, the prosecution may move to reinstate the jury verdict. so you are neither right nor wrong.

    I haven't lost because you never even stepped up to the plate. all you do is whine about isolated incidents of people being stupid.

    Can you find anyone who has found that you made a winning argument
    Again - the judge is not deciding guilt or innocence: he can't.

    The rest of your post is BS and I'm not going to entertain it.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

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    in other words you like a law where rich people and whites get CCW and minorities and the poor cannot. that is what happens in "may issue" states. Joan Rivers-a big gun hater-had a CCW in new york while black and Latino taxi drivers almost never could get one even though cab drivers are far more likely to be attacked than aging liberal comics
    Under "showing cause" - anybody can apply and be heard. May issue means - show cause. If cause meets the requirement, then it's granted.

    Cab drivers are no differnt than intrastate truck divers who have their trucks hijacked. Line dirvers I knew carried guns all the time: permit or no.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Has everything to do with the point. Shoot a black person as a white person your odds of claiming SD and prevailing are zero.
    Tell that to George Zimmerman.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Has everything to do with the point. Shoot a black person as a white person your odds of claiming SD and prevailing are zero.
    I'm crying crocodile tears over here for the plight of the oppressed white man in America....

    I'm a white man so I know what a raw deal I get from society. Oppression everywhere. Poor poor me.... boo hooo waahhh waahhh...

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Under "showing cause" - anybody can apply and be heard. May issue means - show cause. If cause meets the requirement, then it's granted.

    Cab drivers are no differnt than intrastate truck divers who have their trucks hijacked. Line dirvers I knew carried guns all the time: permit or no.
    You do not understand the difference between may issue and shall issue.

    Try again.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Again - the judge is not deciding guilt or innocence: he can't.

    The rest of your post is BS and I'm not going to entertain it.
    Actually, TD has a point. A judge does have the power to overturn what he considers to be a bad verdict. The defense would have to make a motion to set aside the jury's judgment, then the judge may or may not do it. In this case however, no way in hell.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Under "showing cause" - anybody can apply and be heard. May issue means - show cause. If cause meets the requirement, then it's granted.

    Cab drivers are no differnt than intrastate truck divers who have their trucks hijacked. Line dirvers I knew carried guns all the time: permit or no.
    you are not correct. its up to the discretion of some bureaucrat.



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Again - the judge is not deciding guilt or innocence: he can't.

    The rest of your post is BS and I'm not going to entertain it.
    remind me of which university granted you a law degree and which state bar did you pass



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, TD has a point. A judge does have the power to overturn what he considers to be a bad verdict. The defense would have to make a motion to set aside the jury's judgment, then the judge may or may not do it. In this case however, no way in hell.
    Oops, I need to correct myself. The defense does not even have to ask the judge to overturn a bad verdict. I know this from real life. I am sure that many of you remember me posting about my DWI bust in 2009, in which I claimed that the cop framed me. And I am sure you remember about me posting about that cop getting caught by the FBI for doing the same to someone else in 2011. It was in 2011 that the verdict in my own case was set aside. I didn't even know it was going to happen until I was subpoenaed to come back to court. At first, I thought I had done something to violate my probation, and then when I got to court. In September of 2011, in Courtroom 12 here at the Criminal Court in Houston, my verdict was set aside by the judge. BTW, the cop that busted me ended up getting 5 years probation for Official Oppression, the police department he worked for is still under Federal supervision, and he was fired and will never be able to get a job as even a security guard. The sweet irony here is that the verdict in my case would never have been reversed, if not for the lady who got this cop busted. The 2 important facts about her own false DWI charge were 1) She was a health nut, who never had a drink in her life, and 2) She just happened to be a secretary in the FBI office that ended up busting that cop. LOL. A total of 30 DWI verdicts were set aside in this case, and it was the lead news story here in Houston for weeks.

    Fact is, a judge does have the power to set aside any verdict, if he or she sees evidence to create enough doubt to tip the scales in the other direction, and the judge can do this unilaterally, as she did in my case.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Oops, I need to correct myself. The defense does not even have to ask the judge to overturn a bad verdict. I know this from real life. I am sure that many of you remember me posting about my DWI bust in 2009, in which I claimed that the cop framed me. And I am sure you remember about me posting about that cop getting caught by the FBI for doing the same to someone else in 2011. It was in 2011 that the verdict in my own case was set aside. I didn't even know it was going to happen until I was subpoenaed to come back to court. At first, I thought I had done something to violate my probation, and then when I got to court. In September of 2011, in Courtroom 12 here at the Criminal Court in Houston, my verdict was set aside by the judge. BTW, the cop that busted me, ended up getting probation for Official Oppression, the police department he worked for is still under Federal supervision, and he will never be able to get a job as even a security guard. The sweet irony here is that the verdict in my case would never have been reversed, if not for the lady who got this cop busted. The 2 important facts about her own false DWI charge were 1) She was a health nut, who never had a drink in her life, and 2) She just happened to be a secretary in the FBI office that ended up busting that cop. LOL.

    Fact is, a judge does have the power to set aside any verdict, if he or she sees enough evidence to create just enough doubt to tip the scales in the other direction, and the judge can do this unilaterally.
    In Cincinnati, a guy was charged with second degree murder. apparently he shot a dealer he bought drugs from. He claimed self defense. The jury, correctly figuring he was a scum bag (he was carrying a pistol illegally, and buying crack cocaine) convicted him. a Lady judge set aside the verdict finding that his claim of self defense was the only proper conclusion a reasonable jury could find, since there was undisputed evidence that the dead dealer had a weapon in his hand and the forensic evidence was that the dead dealer had fired first. plus another user testified that the same dealer had ripped him off at gun point shortly before the defendant killed the dealer



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