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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Why is it "logical" to accept Dunn's word for anything? His actions following the incident certainly don't make him seem trustworthy.

Because the white guy was so askeeered of the black teens that he sought refuge in the safety of a hotel 2 hours away and the comfort of a pizza. You gotta believe the askeeered white guy who had to run 2 hours to safety only to comfort himself with a pizza.
 
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Ummm... No.

SYG is not the problem. As I have posted before you have a far greater chance of being killed by a cop wrongfully than a CCW holder.
You miss the point of the cartoon.
The irony comes from the murdered black teens who "stand their ground" by being in the ground.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You miss the point of the cartoon.
The irony comes from the murdered black teens who "stand their ground" by being in the ground.

I did miss your point. My apologies.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Ummm... No.

SYG is not the problem. As I have posted before you have a far greater chance of being killed by a cop wrongfully than a CCW holder.


I think the SYG laws should not take the place of common sense .I think the two can coexist.
 
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I think the SYG laws should not take the place of common sense .I think the two can coexist.

They could. I however no longer trust the government or the radical and rabid anti-gun/pro-gun people to use it.
 
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I think the SYG laws should not take the place of common sense .I think the two can coexist.
The fact that there are laws on the books that grant lethal authority based on how one "feels" is a recipe for legalized murder... especially racism motivated murder.
The Dunn case is a perfect example of that.
Dunn believed that under Florida state law all he had to do, to justify this murder, was to say he "felt threatened" and the prosecution would have a hard time proving that he didn't.
He mis-calculated the jury's good common sense this time ...but these stupid cowboy, shoot first ask questions later, laws need to change.
Regardless of the circumstances, anyone who perpetrates a homicide should have to prove there was a threat to their life.
Right now that is backwards in many states.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You miss the point of the cartoon.
The irony comes from the murdered black teens who "stand their ground" by being in the ground.
Most of whom were put there by other black teens.
 
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Most of whom were put there by other black teens.

Yea but that doesn't count because it does not help ban or restrict access to firearms. So no one really cares. Sad no doubt.
 
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The fact that there are laws on the books that grant lethal authority based on how one "feels" is a recipe for legalized murder... especially racism motivated murder.
The Dunn case is a perfect example of that.
Dunn believed that under Florida state law all he had to do, to justify this murder, was to say he "felt threatened" and the prosecution would have a hard time proving that he didn't.
He mis-calculated the jury's good common sense this time ...but these stupid cowboy, shoot first ask questions later, laws need to change.
Regardless of the circumstances, anyone who perpetrates a homicide should have to prove there was a threat to their life.
Right now that is backwards in many states.

The key there is "Dunn believed that under Florida" which as he found out is not the case.

As I have pointed out many times you are at a greater risk to be wrongfully shot or killed by police than a CCW holder.

Police Officers Three Times More Likely to Murder Than Concealed Carry Permit Holders - Police Officers Three Times More Likely to Murder Than Concealed Carry Permit Holders

Are you three times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a concealed carrier? - Are you three times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a concealed carrier? - Bearing Arms

Texas study: Concealed carry permit holders commit less than 1% of the crimes. - Texas study: Concealed carry permit holders commit less than 1% of the crimes.

Now the 3 times is actually "shoddy statistics" in that it is a conservative estimate.

So your example does not apply to legal CCW holders on a grand scale. They are responsible overall, not just in Texas for less than 1% of all crime.

The facts just don't support your premise.
 
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The key there is "Dunn believed that under Florida" which as he found out is not the case.

As I have pointed out many times you are at a greater risk to be wrongfully shot or killed by police than a CCW holder.

Police Officers Three Times More Likely to Murder Than Concealed Carry Permit Holders - Police Officers Three Times More Likely to Murder Than Concealed Carry Permit Holders

Are you three times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a concealed carrier? - Are you three times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a concealed carrier? - Bearing Arms

Texas study: Concealed carry permit holders commit less than 1% of the crimes. - Texas study: Concealed carry permit holders commit less than 1% of the crimes.

Now the 3 times is actually "shoddy statistics" in that it is a conservative estimate.

So your example does not apply to legal CCW holders on a grand scale. They are responsible overall, not just in Texas for less than 1% of all crime.

The facts just don't support your premise.
My premise is that if Florida didn't have a Stand Your Ground law in the first place then Dunn would probably left his gun in the glove box and kept his window closed.
 
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My premise is that if Florida didn't have a Stand Your Ground law in the first place then Dunn would probably left his gun in the glove box and kept his window closed.

He saw Zimmerman get away with it and thought he could, too.
 
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My premise is that if Florida didn't have a Stand Your Ground law in the first place then Dunn would probably left his gun in the glove box and kept his window closed.

Yes that could be. However you don't know that anymore than he would have done it anyway and still claimed self defence. It was still a law before SYG.
 
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He saw Zimmerman get away with it and thought he could, too.

Zimmerman did not "get away with" anything. He legitimately defended himself as was upheld by the courts. Huge difference.
 
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Zimmerman did not "get away with" anything. He legitimately defended himself as was upheld by the courts. Huge difference.

disagree
 
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My premise is that if Florida didn't have a Stand Your Ground law in the first place then Dunn would probably left his gun in the glove box and kept his window closed.

Im not so sure, there was no pretrial hearing in regards to SYG in the Dunn case (Zimmerman waived his rights to that too).

Seems to me that Dunn just wanted to kill those kids because he felt disrespected. While Zimmerman showed signs he was injured, Dunn's testimony was contradicted by others and there was no evidence that he was ever attacked or that the kid even got out of the car. The fact that Dunn kept shooting even though the other car was trying to get out of there and he never reported it meant he was obviously trying to cover up his crime.
 
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My premise is that if Florida didn't have a Stand Your Ground law in the first place then Dunn would probably left his gun in the glove box and kept his window closed.

My premise is that if Dunn truly felt his life was in imminent danger, he would have shifted into gear and backed up or gone forward to avoid the threat, rather than reaching over to the glove box, taking out his weapon, possibly chambering a round, aiming, and shooting.

Which do you think would have been a faster way to avoid death?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

My premise is that if Florida didn't have a Stand Your Ground law in the first place then Dunn would probably left his gun in the glove box and kept his window closed.
And may have been dead himself.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

My premise is that if Dunn truly felt his life was in imminent danger, he would have shifted into gear and backed up or gone forward to avoid the threat, rather than reaching over to the glove box, taking out his weapon, possibly chambering a round, aiming, and shooting.

Which do you think would have been a faster way to avoid death?
Yep, that is a liberal mantra..."RUN!!!!"
 
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Yep, that is a liberal mantra..."RUN!!!!"

As a firm supporter of the 2A and a cc permit holder, you now look very very silly.

Yes, I have trained very carefully in order to use my 9mm in self-defense and I dont care HOW clear the threat or big an asshole....I will retreat every time if I can.

Case in point: Michael Dunn. Need another one? George Zimmerman. Doesnt matter that he got off....his life is ruined.

Need more: every single gun owner that was justified in using their guns to protect themselves or their homes and STILL lost their homes and/or tens of thousands of $$$ in court costs having to defend themselves.

Yes, you answered like a man, beating his chest. And made all men look bad, if one were to generalize. (Which I wont.) You sound like someone that would end up just like Michael Dunn.
 
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As a firm supporter of the 2A and a cc permit holder, you now look very very silly.

Yes, I have trained very carefully in order to use my 9mm in self-defense and I dont care HOW clear the threat or big an asshole....I will retreat every time if I can.

Case in point: Michael Dunn. Need another one? George Zimmerman. Doesnt matter that he got off....his life is ruined.

Need more: every single gun owner that was justified in using their guns to protect themselves or their homes and STILL lost their homes and/or tens of thousands of $$$ in court costs having to defend themselves.

Yes, you answered like a man, beating his chest. And made all men look bad, if one were to generalize. (Which I wont.) You sound like someone that would end up just like Michael Dunn.
Far from it missy. And I don't give two ****s what your gun ownership resume is, the fact that your prevailing instinct is to retreat makes me wonder why you have one. But its your own business I guess. I'll keep watch to see where you line up on 2nd amendment issues in the future.

By the by, you seem awfully quick to lump me in with your caricature of Dunn without ever having met me. That points more to your looking silly that your irrational outburst here.
 
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Far from it missy. And I don't give two ****s what your gun ownership resume is, the fact that your prevailing instinct is to retreat makes me wonder why you have one. But its your own business I guess. I'll keep watch to see where you line up on 2nd amendment issues in the future.

By the by, you seem awfully quick to lump me in with your caricature of Dunn without ever having met me. That points more to your looking silly that your irrational outburst here.

Thanks. You just reinforced everything I wrote.

You just implied you'd rather kill than retreat if you had the option.

It's your money and your life.
 
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