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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if the judge throws out a conviction what has the court done

    you have not made any case on CCW other than whining about it
    If a judhe throws out a conviction, it's based on some sort of factual impropriety of some sort and violation of the law. The judge is not deciding on guilt or innocence. The prossecution can decide to retry if they are able.

    As for CCW; you lost that debate, It's another thread I'm not arguing it again here: that's off topic.

    Either go back to that thread or start a new one: wherein I;ll probably just copy and paste all the evidence that beat you the first time.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

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    jet57 wants to make CCW illegal apparently. he constantly posts stories of isolated incidents of stupid gun owners in a failing effort to argue CCW is dangerous to the public
    From what I saw, that's a fact.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well if you are going to allow people to defend themselves, you have to take their word for the fact they felt their lives are threatened.
    Yes you would IF you had no other evidence. In this case, he was shown to be lying.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    So you would in essence use ESP to do this? We do not have the thought police in this country, we don't prosecute crimes beforehand without reasonable proof of a conspiracy etc. Please point out the evidence that would have stripped Dunn of his right to self defence under the law?
    (chuckle)

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    ESP.... (The nonsense of the right-wing is just astounding)

    The law ought reflect that a person must show cause in order for concealed carry. Tha'ts how it used to be in California at least. I think it should be that way all over the US. But of course the gun nuts have seen to that, and as a result Dunn killed an unarmed kid who was playing his music too loud. Ya'see; Dunn's right to carry superceded that boy's right right to live... I mean right? That's what the gun nuts think. And of course, as usual then - stupid is as stupid does.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    If a judhe throws out a conviction, it's based on some sort of factual impropriety of some sort and violation of the law. The judge is not deciding on guilt or innocence. The prossecution can decide to retry if they are able.

    As for CCW; you lost that debate, It's another thread I'm not arguing it again here: that's off topic.

    Either go back to that thread or start a new one: wherein I;ll probably just copy and paste all the evidence that beat you the first time.

    it depends on the ruling. if it is based on a factual finding, no appeal by the government. If its based on a legal ruling by the court, the prosecution may move to reinstate the jury verdict. so you are neither right nor wrong.

    I haven't lost because you never even stepped up to the plate. all you do is whine about isolated incidents of people being stupid.

    Can you find anyone who has found that you made a winning argument



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's true, but misses the underlying pattern:

    White on white - 2,614
    White on black - 193
    Black on black - 2,412
    Black on white - 431

    Mostly, whites kill other whites and blacks kill other blacks.
    Taking into account the number of whites vs blacks, you would be more likely as a criminal to run into a white person no matter what race you are.

    Informative post. Thanks.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    (chuckle)

    man

    ESP.... (The nonsense of the right-wing is just astounding)

    The law ought reflect that a person must show cause in order for concealed carry. Tha'ts how it used to be in California at least. I think it should be that way all over the US. But of course the gun nuts have seen to that, and as a result Dunn killed an unarmed kid who was playing his music too loud. Ya'see; Dunn's right to carry superceded that boy's right right to live... I mean right? That's what the gun nuts think. And of course, as usual then - stupid is as stupid does.
    in other words you like a law where rich people and whites get CCW and minorities and the poor cannot. that is what happens in "may issue" states. Joan Rivers-a big gun hater-had a CCW in new york while black and Latino taxi drivers almost never could get one even though cab drivers are far more likely to be attacked than aging liberal comics



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well if you are going to allow people to defend themselves, you have to take their word for the fact they felt their lives are threatened.
    No you don't. If that's all it took, almost no one could be convicted of murder - just utter the magic words "I felt threatened!"

    In this case there is evidence the guy is a liar and sociopath who drives away from the scene of the shooting, orders pizza and goes to bed.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Taking into account the number of whites vs blacks, you would be more likely as a criminal to run into a white person no matter what race you are.

    Informative post. Thanks.
    lots of black on white violent crime is purely economic. store owners, bank guards, etc are more likely to be white. I was mugged by two blacks-I never believed it was racial. Evidence at the preliminary hearing (the mugger I did not shoot was taped in a jail cell) was that the two mopes had called a pizza delivery shop and intended to mug the deliveryman and I came upon them shortly before the pizza guy and since I was carrying a bag of groceries and had a college varsity jacket on that looked like the Pizza shop uniform, they attacked me. I am convinced that if the delivery guy had beat me to the scene, he would have been mugged no matter what his color.



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people think that any white person should be able to kill any black person for no good reason and walk away smelling like a rose.

    That's not the way that justice is supposed to work in the USA.



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