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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I had not heard that the suv was in motion. Who's testimony is that?
    Tha's what was reported when the story broke. I didn't see the trial, but that's what I remember.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    the judge does not decide guilt or innocence

    That's a fact. Get over it.

    On CCW, and yet - again- I've made my case very clearly.
    so if the judge throws out a conviction what has the court done

    you have not made any case on CCW other than whining about it



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

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    that's even silly given the context Dana
    No it's not actually. Excons argument amounts to "Lets just take the guys word for it."
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    That's true, but the judge does not decide guilt or innocence. As for guns, this is yet another instance in the case I keep making about not letting just anybody pack heat. You can yell all you want, but had that idiot Dunn not been allowed to carry, that kid would still be alive and Dunn would have a lot less to worry about.

    just sayin'
    So you would in essence use ESP to do this? We do not have the thought police in this country, we don't prosecute crimes beforehand without reasonable proof of a conspiracy etc. Please point out the evidence that would have stripped Dunn of his right to self defence under the law?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I wasn't the one arguing race until someone else tried to make this a blame whitey rant. I am merely noting that when it comes to interracial murders blacks kill far more whites than vice versa. and racism may have some role but may not depending on the crime.
    That's true, but misses the underlying pattern:

    White on white - 2,614
    White on black - 193
    Black on black - 2,412
    Black on white - 431

    Mostly, whites kill other whites and blacks kill other blacks.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    So you would in essence use ESP to do this? We do not have the thought police in this country, we don't prosecute crimes beforehand without reasonable proof of a conspiracy etc. Please point out the evidence that would have stripped Dunn of his right to self defence under the law?
    jet57 wants to make CCW illegal apparently. he constantly posts stories of isolated incidents of stupid gun owners in a failing effort to argue CCW is dangerous to the public



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    No it's not actually. Excons argument amounts to "Lets just take the guys word for it."
    Well if you are going to allow people to defend themselves, you have to take their word for the fact they felt their lives are threatened.

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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's true, but misses the underlying pattern:

    White on white - 2,614
    White on black - 193
    Black on black - 2,412
    Black on white - 431

    Mostly, whites kill other whites and blacks kill other blacks.
    that is obviously the case. never have denied it

    you might do a study of violent crime in general-rape is rather interesting



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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well if you are going to allow people to defend themselves, you have to take their word for the fact they felt their lives are threatened.
    No, we don't. But it is still innocent until proven guilty, so the State has to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense.
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    Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, we don't. But it is still innocent until proven guilty, so the State has to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense.
    Shoot a black person. Tell me how innocent you will be treated, unless you prove your innocence in court. Then you are still guilty in the worlds court of opinion anyway and your life is over.

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