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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

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    He had no choice after invading Iraq. To leave prematurely would be an admission of incompetence, which would also have been politically unpopular.

    So bush was backed into a corner--damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
    I wasn't referring to Iraq - the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was actually favoured by Americans at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I was speaking more about his decision on stem cell research and his nominations for the Supreme Court, among others.
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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    The only screwup the SS made was lying about the incident initially, which is a major problem and grounds for termination.

    The SS should've just told the truth from the beginning, and said that additional security measures were unnecessary given the events that transpired.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    The quality of the Secret Service doesn't seem to be what it once was. I remember that the agents around President Reagan did a superb job when Hinckley shot him--they very quickly shielded Reagan and neutralized Hinckley, and it very well may have saved Reagan's life. Or maybe the fact they genuinely liked and respected Ronald Reagan made them especially sharp about protecting him.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The SS did not make any mistakes. Hello?! The job of the SS is to keep the Pres unharmed, which they succeeded at, because

    1) Obama was never shot

    2) The SS didn't harass/harm/beat/shoot anyone for merely entering the WH grounds

    The WH is supposed to be our house. Hello?!

    So if an American enters w/out any clear intent of hurting anyone inside, the SS should not go overboard and start firing away.

    The right wing nuts are just upset because they believe guns are the best answer to everything; they believe the SS screwed up because it didn't act Nazi guards, i. e. the right wing ideal of a perfect govt.


    Where is there any evidence that "right wing nuts" are responsible for her resignation?

    By reading the attached article one quickly learns that one, there were several lapses, one in which a man with a record for assault got into an elevator with the president.....

    I don't see anywhere that she was pressured, if you do have evidence "right wing nuts' forced this resignation, please post it as we would all like to see who it is that has that much power in Washington right now...likely the next president if its true.



    Why do I not think we will ever see said links....?
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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    I don't understand why there are not two Marine guards posted at the entrance to the White House 24/7
    There was a PC girl guard that the guy shoved aside like, we'll like a girl.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Where is there any evidence that "right wing nuts" are responsible for her resignation?
    I never said they did. No govt. official in the last 40 years has ever resigned due to pressure from Congress, which has always been purely political.

    Congress doesn't give rat's ass about WH security; if it did, it would certainly allocate more funds for the SS to ensure that its director gets paid significantly more than a measly $150K. That's a joke for someone in charge of security detail for a major head of state/VIP. Oracle Corp. shells out $1.5 million/yr. for Ellison's security detail at his personal residence alone, so one should expect a higher salary for someone in charge of the President's security.

    The so-called "pressure" from Congress isn't actual intimidation; it's just mindless political fluff put out by these Congresscritters to score cheap political points, and what's pathetic is the right wing masses that buy into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    By reading the attached article one quickly learns that one, there were several lapses, one in which a man with a record for assault got into an elevator with the president.....
    That man was a private security contractor.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The quality of the Secret Service doesn't seem to be what it once was. I remember that the agents around President Reagan did a superb job when Hinckley shot him
    That doesn't make any sense at all.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Wonder if it's occurred to anyone yet that if the intruder actually had malicious intent, he would've used his knife to hurt someone since had clearly had the opportunity to do so.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    That doesn't make any sense at all.
    Well, thank you. Coming from you, that's quite a compliment.

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    Re: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Resigns After Breaches

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    They did not; if they did, O would either be dead or in a hospital now. The results speak for themselves.



    WRONG. The results are the only relevant performance metric when they're exemplary.

    And the results are exemplary, since the SS has kept all Presidents perfectly safe in the last 30 years.

    No sensible employer questions the actions of an employee that delivers perfect results consistently. To do otherwise amounts to unnecessary micromanagement.
    Again I explained it, if they didn't follow proper policy, which isn't letting an intruder in the White House, they FAILED. Plain and simple.

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