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Μολὼν λαβέ · Oct 1, 2014

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imagep said:
No, but ISIS likely wouldn't be in Iraq if Saddam Hussein was still there. If would have never invaded Iraq, we wouldn't have to be fighting ISIS today.

If I'm not mistaken Obama wanted the job of being president. Addressing issues like this is part of the job. Blaming his predecessor doesn't get the job done now does it?

Failing to address issues because they don't fit your personal agenda until they are so big they become almost overwhelming conveys poor leadership skills, period.

Don't want the job Mr. President then step aside.

imagep · Oct 1, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063820608 said:
If I'm not mistaken Obama wanted the job of being president. Addressing issues like this is part of the job. Blaming his predecessor doesn't get the job done now does it?

Failing to address issues because they don't fit your personal agenda until they are so big they become almost overwhelming conveys poor leadership skills, period.

Don't want the job Mr. President then step aside.

So fighting radical islamic groups in foreign countries is part of the job of the US president? That's in our constitution?

And it was the job of the president to invade a foreign nation which had never attacked us or threatened us?

Maybe if bush hadn't over reached his job Obama wouldn't have to over reach his.

Fletch · Oct 1, 2014

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iguanaman said:
Biden's job is to put a good face on any situation. He hoped Maliki would come around and form an inclusive Govt. when we left. He didn't because he is an Iranian terrorist who never should have been allowed to run no less handpicked by our CIA and Bush.

LOL Man you guys will just defend anything wont you. So Biden and Obama weren't bright enough to realize that Maliki was a bad guy, so I guess their stupidity is Bushs fault also. Sorry iguanaman but you have zero credibility, but I know who to turn to if I need a hackish defense of a left wing blunder.

Μολὼν λαβέ · Oct 1, 2014

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imagep said:
So fighting radical islamic groups in foreign countries is part of the job of the US president? That's in our constitution?

And it was the job of the president to invade a foreign nation which had never attacked us or threatened us?

Maybe if bush hadn't over reached his job Obama wouldn't have to over reach his.

Living in the past still isn't getting the job done now is it?

If I'm not mistaken ISIS has threatened the US and its interest. We can fight them over there or fight them over here.

Being proactive seems prudent to most Americans. After all, ISIS is just a JV team.

This didn't work out too well did it? Is this Bush's fault too?

Then-Senator Barack Obama makes the case for an Obama Presidency on November 21, 2007 by saying he is uniquely qualified to bring stability to America's relationships in the Muslim world because he lived in an Islamic country during his youth and his half-sister is Muslim.

OBAMA FLASHBACK: The Day I'm Inaugurated Muslim Hostility Will Ease

Montecresto · Oct 1, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063821094 said:
Living in the past still isn't getting the job done now is it?

If I'm not mistaken ISIS has threatened the US and its interest. We can fight them over there or fight them over here.

Being proactive seems prudent to most Americans. After all, ISIS is just a JV team.

This didn't work out too well did it? Is this Bush's fault too?

OBAMA FLASHBACK: The Day I'm Inaugurated Muslim Hostility Will Ease

The Islamic State had no quarters until we conducted regime change. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad gave no room for these bastards. It's not a partisan issue. Years of US interference in the ME has been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.

Napoleon · Oct 1, 2014

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SENSIBLE PATRIO said:
Silly bunny, he allowed Isis to take back all the cities Americans fought, and died for to free the Iraqi people, but he doesn't care.

Why is it that we are more responsible for maintaining the territorial integrity of Iraq than Iraq is?

Montecresto · Oct 1, 2014

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Napoleon said:
Why is it that we are more responsible for maintaining the territorial integrity of Iraq than Iraq is?

We're not, it's just partisan drivel, another opportunity to blame somebody else for a Bush administration colossal failure in attacking a country that hadn't harmed us whatsoever.

jmotivator · Oct 1, 2014

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imagep said:
No, but ISIS likely wouldn't be in Iraq if Saddam Hussein was still there. If would have never invaded Iraq, we wouldn't have to be fighting ISIS today.

And if Obama wasn't an incompetent dunderhead there would be no Saddam OR ISIS.

Montecresto · Oct 2, 2014

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jmotivator said:
And if Obama wasn't an incompetent dunderhead there would be no Saddam OR ISIS.

The Sunni militants who now threaten to take over Iraq seemed to spring from nowhere when they stormed Mosul in early June. But the group that recently renamed itself simply “the Islamic State” has existed under various names and in various shapes since the early 1990s. And its story is the story of how modern terrorism has evolved, from a political and religious ideal into a death cult.

ISIS: A Short History - The Atlantic

ISIS originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE ISLAMIC STATE. His policies have however been beneficial to it.

Grant · Oct 2, 2014

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Montecresto said:
The Sunni militants who now threaten to take over Iraq seemed to spring from nowhere when they stormed Mosul in early June. But the group that recently renamed itself simply “the Islamic State” has existed under various names and in various shapes since the early 1990s. And its story is the story of how modern terrorism has evolved, from a political and religious ideal into a death cult.

ISIS: A Short History - The Atlantic

ISIS originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE ISLAMIC STATE. His policies have however been beneficial to it.

This is unimportant. What is important is what's happening now. Here they are in action of you have the stomach for it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THTzK2I3TD0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEl6cf8NPWE

But Obama, who pulled the troops from the area, does nothing.

iguanaman · Oct 2, 2014

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Fletch said:
LOL Man you guys will just defend anything wont you. So Biden and Obama weren't bright enough to realize that Maliki was a bad guy, so I guess their stupidity is Bushs fault also. Sorry iguanaman but you have zero credibility, but I know who to turn to if I need a hackish defense of a left wing blunder.

It's not a "defense" against anything. It is just the way it is. You apparently believe Joe Biden to be an expert in Foreign policy. I said he is doing his job. Even I will admit he is not that bright. He's a grass roots kind of guy not a expert in anything but politics.
The problem with Maliki is that we put all our "eggs" in him. He was the symbol of the new "democratic Iraq" we created so forcibly deposing him was not too appealing. Bush was in a rush to get a Govt. going and the CIA seemed to think he was the only choice at the time. Our bad but not Obama's fault at all.
Your problem is that all roads must lead to Obama's failure so you refuse to even entertain the thought that Bush left him a time bomb waiting to explode.

Fletch · Oct 2, 2014

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iguanaman said:
It's not a "defense" against anything. It is just the way it is. You apparently believe Joe Biden to be an expert in Foreign policy. I said he is doing his job. Even I will admit he is not that bright. He's a grass roots kind of guy not a expert in anything but politics.
The problem with Maliki is that we put all our "eggs" in him. He was the symbol of the new "democratic Iraq" we created so forcibly deposing him was not too appealing. Bush was in a rush to get a Govt. going and the CIA seemed to think he was the only choice at the time. Our bad but not Obama's fault at all.
Your problem is that all roads must lead to Obama's failure so you refuse to even entertain the thought that Bush left him a time bomb waiting to explode.

When a time bomb goes off 6 years into your presidency, its your problem. And it wasn't just Biden, it was Obama tooting his own horn over how well he had handled Iraq. But again, it comes back to credibility. Your credibility. The idea that six years in you are still blaming Bush just goes to show what an absolute failure Obama has been. The world is coming apart and you just cant bring yourself to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe it is Obamas policies that are at fault. Did he inherit Iraq as a problem? Yes. Did he handle that problem well? Absolutely not. Bush F'ed up in getting us in there and Obama F'ed up in getting us out. It is just your own partisan blindness that prevents you from recognizing that fact.

jmotivator · Oct 2, 2014

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Montecresto said:
The Sunni militants who now threaten to take over Iraq seemed to spring from nowhere when they stormed Mosul in early June. But the group that recently renamed itself simply “the Islamic State” has existed under various names and in various shapes since the early 1990s. And its story is the story of how modern terrorism has evolved, from a political and religious ideal into a death cult.

ISIS: A Short History - The Atlantic

ISIS originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE ISLAMIC STATE. His policies have however been beneficial to it.

That is like using the fact that bacteria have been around for billions of years as an excuse for a surgeon not washinging their hands.

jmotivator · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
So fighting radical islamic groups in foreign countries is part of the job of the US president? That's in our constitution?

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments"

Huh, it appears so.

And it was the job of the president to invade a foreign nation which had never attacked us or threatened us?

False. In maintaining the US Resolutions of establishing no-fly zones in Iraq Saddam frequently fired on American planes enforcing the no-fy zone.

Maybe if bush hadn't over reached his job Obama wouldn't have to over reach his.

"B-b-but Booooooooosh!!!"

j-mac · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
There are zillions of potential "Dr. Evils" in this world, no reason to believe at this point that ISIS has the potential to actually do what it threatens. Don't believe for one second that 31,000 ISIS fighters are going to be able to take over 315 million Americans. Even if they defeated our military, they could never enforce sharia law in a country that is primarally Christian, especially not one that averages 6 firearms per person.

Oh, you want to wait until they can? Or, until there are disruptive attacks on our soil? I don't. I also don't like the fact that we now have the most dishonest president in history at the helm either.

What is absolutely stunning to me is that just railed about how the previous administration lied not only support this one, but voted for it twice.

j-mac · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
We never did that, but I agree it is an appealing idea. When was the last time that Switzerland was attacked by muslum terrorists?

You don't just get to pick up your ball and go home. The bullies will follow you there.

j-mac · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
No, but ISIS likely wouldn't be in Iraq if Saddam Hussein was still there. If would have never invaded Iraq, we wouldn't have to be fighting ISIS today.

OMG. Living in the past is no way to live today. Besides, there is no way you can know, or say that with any certainty, and it makes you look like you support ruthless dictatorships.

MMC · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
Why not? Is there some time limit or some reason to rush?

Because the longer one goes without engaging the enemy on the ground. Allows them to take more ground and spread. It allows them to conduct operations and to continue their offensives and War.

Yes......the reason is quite simple. It's so they do not become stronger and so that the War against them will not take a decade or more.

j-mac · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
I see years of not knowing who the enemy is if we put boots on the ground. About the only thing boots on the ground can do to identify the enemy is to stand out in the open until someone starts shooting at them. I don't call that a victory, I call that stupid.

Its not the responsibility of US troops to die fighting for Iraq. That's Iraq's responsibility. I don't mind aiding them to do what they can't do, but I'm not going to do for them what they can (should) do for themselves.

LBJ = "...I'm not going to send our boys 9 or 10 thousand miles around the world to do the job that young Asian boys should be doing for themselves..."

Sound familiar?

j-mac · Oct 2, 2014

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imagep said:
Why not? Is there some time limit or some reason to rush?

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

MMC · Oct 2, 2014

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Montecresto said:
The Islamic State had no quarters until we conducted regime change. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad gave no room for these bastards. It's not a partisan issue. Years of US interference in the ME has been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.

Islamic State had no quarters until we conducted regime Change Monte.....what regime change gave ISIS their Quarters and safehaven?

Years of European and Russian interference has been beneficial to Militant Islamic groups.....also that interference has never stopped during any US interference. Correct?

SENSIBLE PATRIO · Oct 2, 2014

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Montecresto said:
More lies to cover up the FAILINGS of your hero!

Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an airliner and fly it into government buildings like the Pentagon.

Report Warned Of Suicide Hijackings - CBS News

Oh so you are saying Clinton knew and did nothing got it, to many blow jobs to worry about the country! By the way my hero's are Jesus Christ and the American Soldier!

MMC · Oct 2, 2014

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Montecresto said:
The Sunni militants who now threaten to take over Iraq seemed to spring from nowhere when they stormed Mosul in early June. But the group that recently renamed itself simply “the Islamic State” has existed under various names and in various shapes since the early 1990s. And its story is the story of how modern terrorism has evolved, from a political and religious ideal into a death cult.

ISIS: A Short History - The Atlantic

ISIS originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE ISLAMIC STATE. His policies have however been beneficial to it.

SO WHAT.....NO one has Said BO Peep Created the AQ group. But there is no mistaken he allowed them to become what they have......by doing nothing at the time of their Morph and expansion.

MMC · Oct 2, 2014

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iguanaman said:
It's not a "defense" against anything. It is just the way it is. You apparently believe Joe Biden to be an expert in Foreign policy. I said he is doing his job. Even I will admit he is not that bright. He's a grass roots kind of guy not a expert in anything but politics.
The problem with Maliki is that we put all our "eggs" in him. He was the symbol of the new "democratic Iraq" we created so forcibly deposing him was not too appealing. Bush was in a rush to get a Govt. going and the CIA seemed to think he was the only choice at the time. Our bad but not Obama's fault at all.
Your problem is that all roads must lead to Obama's failure so you refuse to even entertain the thought that Bush left him a time bomb waiting to explode.

Again Maliki was re-elected in 2010......and BO had an Ambassador to Iraq there at the time. Bush had nothing to do with Maliki from 2009 and up until BO denied Maliki help in Nov of last year.

j-mac · Oct 2, 2014

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iguanaman said:
It's not a "defense" against anything. It is just the way it is. You apparently believe Joe Biden to be an expert in Foreign policy. I said he is doing his job. Even I will admit he is not that bright. He's a grass roots kind of guy not a expert in anything but politics.
The problem with Maliki is that we put all our "eggs" in him. He was the symbol of the new "democratic Iraq" we created so forcibly deposing him was not too appealing. Bush was in a rush to get a Govt. going and the CIA seemed to think he was the only choice at the time. Our bad but not Obama's fault at all.
Your problem is that all roads must lead to Obama's failure so you refuse to even entertain the thought that Bush left him a time bomb waiting to explode.

I just love how libs threw a fit when Bush was in but now its all good with their guy.

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