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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Yeah, especially since Obama was running on a platform of having killed Osama, al-Qaeda was on the run and Benghazi was a spontaneous demonstration...you're are damned right it would be a "hard sell"..

    But note, in Obama's defense his followers immediately turn to the political question and Obama's electoral standing as opposed to what's right. And thank you for documenting so succinctly the nature of the problem with Obama's presidency....it's all for image.
    Do you think that without an obvious threat, Congress would have agreed to military action? That would have been a political liability to the Republicans.


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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

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    And who would have been giving him consent in 2010, again?
    I am not soley blaming Bush.


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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That an absolute lie. But don't take my word for it. Ask Joe Biden who in 2010 (that would be two years after Bush left office) proclaimed that Iraq would be "One of Obama's great achievements." Obama lost control of Iraq and its collapse came six years into Obamas term. To continue to claim its all Bushs fault at this point destroys any credibility you might have.
    Biden's job is to put a good face on any situation. He hoped Maliki would come around and form an inclusive Govt. when we left. He didn't because he is an Iranian terrorist who never should have been allowed to run no less handpicked by our CIA and Bush.

    Given the circumstances under which the United States operated, it is difficult to see, if Maliki had been afforded three further years of direct military support—troops with targets painted on their backs—how the Iraqi state could have fared better so long as the current Prime Minister remained at the helm. Keeping a U.S. garrison beyond 2011 might have maintained security, but it would have brought Iraq little closer to sustainable democracy. Keeping that garrison over the objection of Iraq’s elected government would surely have made things worse. Either way, more American lives might have been lost.

    At the hands of another leader, strategic victory might have come easier in Iraq—but this is a counterfactual. Maliki’s candidacy was vetted and backed by the CIA in 2006; in time, he had become the subject of path dependency. By 2011, the ouster of Maliki, twice-elected, might well have undermined the entire credibility Iraqi democratization. If Maliki is removed now, as many are advocating, it may address an immediate problem, but it will still be a process of many years to reach an enduring political conciliation. And such a transition in leadership must be driven by the Iraqi people.

    Ultimately, those insisting that the United States military should have remained in Iraq indefinitely—akin to the open-ended American commitment in Korea—do not champion a practical alternative so much as a hope that things could have eventually gotten better. While a powerful emotional appeal, this is not a strategy.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I am not soley blaming Bush.

    As I see it.....there is no way Bush Junior can be blamed for ISIL nor for them becoming ISIS.

    Like I mentioned earlier.....BO could have be doing Airstrikes in Iraq and could have taken out half of what ISIS stole from 4 Military bases. They would not have been able to take Assad's Military bases without the use of our Tanks. They would not have taken possession of the Scud Missiles Assad has.

    Even Today Turkey said they will jump into the fight. But Erdogan wants the long term Solution. He has already made statements concerning the effectiveness of airstrikes. So truthfully it is a call out on BO since BO touted he was leading the way.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    As I see it.....there is no way Bush Junior can be blamed for ISIL nor for them becoming ISIS.

    Like I mentioned earlier.....BO could have be doing Airstrikes in Iraq and could have taken out half of what ISIS stole from 4 Military bases. They would not have been able to take Assad's Military bases without the use of our Tanks. They would not have taken possession of the Scud Missiles Assad has.

    Even Today Turkey said they will jump into the fight. But Erdogan wants the long term Solution. He has already made statements concerning the effectiveness of airstrikes. So truthfully it is a call out on BO since BO touted he was leading the way.
    Of course ISIS isn't Bush's fault.

    I also don't see success without "boots on the ground."


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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course ISIS isn't Bush's fault.

    I also don't see success without "boots on the ground."

    Yeah, and we cant wait 3 years to train up the minimum of what General Dempsey said would be needed.....nor can we just rely on those Arab states to accomplish the mission. Even if there are threats to their countries......it changes nothing with the Terrorists intentions for us. Moreover the Arab states just aren't so competent when it comes to battle. One would think after 3000 years. They would at least know how to fight.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush "decided to leave" in 2008 when he signed an agreement to "leave". Obama's choice was to re-invade Iraq against Maliki's rule and he decided he STILL thought invading Iraq was a bad idea. Imagine that, a President the actually does what he campaigned to do. The nerve of him.
    Yep, he campaigned on making us less safe, and kept to it. Bravo, Hussein! Trouble is, anyone that voted for him didn't understand the consequences of putting him in office.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    In 2012 ISIS was exclusively in Syria. Do you think we should have invaded Syria then? McCain wanted to arm the rebels which ISIS was a part of but you think we should have invaded Syria to aid Assad? How are we paying for it? By not losing troops in a civil war in Iraq? I'll take those "losses" any day.
    Why would we invade Syria? That's just a tunnel vision response, as if that was the only possible action that could be taken. Maybe Obama should have followed up on the PDB, at least the ones he bothered to read, and ask some questions. Maybe some advice from experienced individuals might have helped. I'm betting his advice came from know nothings like Valerie Jarrett and David Axlerod. He's an idiot, surrounded by idiots.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If that is true, then they have already lost. They simply lack the ability or the support. And if we quit helping them garner support, they'd be even less now.
    Ok? But be aware that someone will fill that void.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by SENSIBLE PATRIO View Post
    Silly bunny, he allowed Isis to take back all the cities Americans fought, and died for to free the Iraqi people, but he doesn't care.hey were the JV no threat
    The Iraqi people are apparently weak and worthless. Why should we send American troops to defend a country that is full of worthless people? It's pathetic when 400 ISIS troops can run off 30,000 Iraqi soldiers.
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