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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And Bush retired - 6 years ago. We got a new CEO. One who either is incompetant, or hires incompetant people, who do not keep him informed, which is incompetant.
    Yep, one incompetent CEO after another. Man, that spotlight in post 6 has the wingers panties all knotted up!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    I think Obama believes that, if we withdraw from all the attacks, invasions, coups, etc. and mind our own business that things will calm down in the world. It is an appealing idea. Sadly, it hasn't worked. Apparently the stick works better than the carrot. I suspect Obama isn't good at coming to grips with that reality.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, one incompetent CEO after another. Man, that spotlight in post 6 has the wingers panties all knotted up!
    Again, Bush is gone. Last I heard he was hosting BBQ's down in Texas. Barry is in charge now. Or at least he was hired to be in charge.

    Time to move on. Even Barry is now blaming Clapper.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by SENSIBLE PATRIO View Post
    Silly bunny, he allowed Isis to take back all the cities Americans fought, and died for to free the Iraqi people, but he doesn't care.hey were the JV no threat
    No, The Iraqi army that we trained for 10 years let those cities fall many without a fight. We did not free the Iraqi people we simply exchanged one genocidal dictator for another. Obama could not do a thing until Maliki was gone....he was the problem.



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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Again, Bush is gone. Last I heard he was hosting BBQ's down in Texas. Barry is in charge now. Or at least he was hired to be in charge.

    Time to move on. Even Barry is now blaming Clapper.
    Yeah, Bush blamed the intelligence community too! That's what presidents do with good partisan support. The left is protecting Obama as you guys protected Bush. If people would just put America before the party, oh well.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I think Obama believes that, if we withdraw from all the attacks, invasions, coups, etc. and mind our own business that things will calm down in the world. It is an appealing idea. Sadly, it hasn't worked. Apparently the stick works better than the carrot. I suspect Obama isn't good at coming to grips with that reality.
    What in the hell makes you think that ****?? Obama grabbed hold of that stick Bush stuck into the ME and has stirred the hell out of it!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What in the hell makes you think that ****?? Obama grabbed hold of that stick Bush stuck into the ME and has stirred the hell out of it!!
    Nothing, Was something confusing about my post?

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And George Bush had ample warnings about Al Qaeda before 9/11 that all went ignored.

    How George W. Bush was given SEVEN warnings about threat from Bin Laden in months before 9/11

    Read more: 9/11 anniversary: Series of 2001 briefings warned of attack by Bin Laden | Daily Mail Online
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    The Deafness Before the Storm
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/op...-warnings.html
    Another lw zombie meme. It just won't die. There was never any actionable intel about Al Qaeda before 9/11. The fact that they were determined to attack inside the US was common knowledge. When, where, and how, was a different matter.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin" ILOR. That is true.....and the Shia and Al Sadr and who Sadr answers to. Wanted us out. Still even after BO pulled out.....Maliki returned requesting help in Nov. of last year. Which BO denied and worrying what Maliki would do if given such Aid. Which anything with Maliki doesn't change what he was being told and knew about ISIL back then.


    Obama Meets Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki As Terror Rages Across Country.....

    President Obama's proud political boast is that he ended the Iraq war, but on Friday, he will come face-to-face with a man who is still fighting it -- Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. The Iraqi leader visits the White House as Al-Qaeda sows terror in Iraq's Shiite community, with a surge of suicide and car bombings, drawing analogies to the darkest days of sectarian bloodletting during the US occupation. Two years after the last US soldier left Iraq, Americans have largely moved on from a war which killed nearly 4,500 US troops, tens of thousands of civilians and drained the US Treasury. But the carnage in Iraq -- where more than 700 people have died in violence this month alone -- is stirring fears the country may again slide into an abyss exacerbated by the brutal war rending Syria next door. "The security situation is not only bad... it not only could reverse all of the gains of 2008, it could tear the country apart if both Maliki and the United States do not act quickly," said James Jeffrey, until last year, the US ambassador to Iraq, who is now with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

    Maliki, blamed by some Iraq watchers in Washington for marginalizing Sunnis and sinking a well of sectarian anger for extremists to exploit, is blunt about the challenge. "The terrorists found a second chance," he said in a speech in Washington Thursday, warning Al-Qaeda and allied groups were a "virus." Maliki has a wish list of US military hardware, including attack helicopters to go with already ordered fighter jets to help his ill-equipped military battle insurgents. There is a certain irony in his request -- given the failure of Iraqi and US negotiators to agree legal immunity for US troops that would have allowed a residual American force to stay behind in Iraq. Iraq's slide back into violence has revived questions here about the wisdom of the complete US withdrawal, the Maliki government's conduct since and America's future relationship with a nation it invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein.....snip~

    Obama Meets Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki As Terror Rages Across Country
    Greetings, MMC.

    So the blame game is now making front page news - right on schedule! Good to know that nothing changes, and it's everyone else's fault when things go wrong. Meanwhile, back at the ranch in DC, we learn that all Maliki needs ifrom us is more equipment and/or money. to fight ISIS. Boringly predictable! Will we take the bait even though we're technically bankrupt?, with our debt exceeding our GDP? Sure, why not? Disregard the fact that the Sunis and Shiites have been fighting this religious war with each other for 1,357 years! We're gonna wade in and fix everything now! :

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yes, there are growing threats around the world, but in this case there was a growing threat in a region that Obama was busy withdrawing troops from. This isn't analogous to the Russian situation because we didn't withdraw a large contingent of US troops from Ukraine while Russian troops were amassing on the border.

    What this shows is that the President was remarkably myopic in his actions in a region in which he claimed to be clear on. All this while his die hard defenders claimed there was really no need for the President to attend all of those security briefings he missed. Apparently there was very good reason for him to be there because if he was as astonishingly ignorant as he claims on 60 Minutes of the reality on the ground in Iraq then whatever was substituting the face to face meeting wasn't working.

    His attempt to pass the buck on 60 minutes just underscores what a disastrous leader he turned out to be.
    Wait...wait wait....

    The withdrawing of troops was based on an agreement signed before Obama even took office. What should he of done? Told the Iraqi government "screw you and your Democratic process or public opinion....we're going to keep troops in Iraq". That would be worse than withdrawing. At that point we're basically an enemy of the people and the government. We're officially an occupying force in a Democratic country.

    In the Ukraine...the government and people of Ukraine strongly support European and US involvement.

    As for the Security briefings, I posted in a thread the same thing I'll say here. Security briefings don't tell you if a President is involved in foreign policy or not. GW Bush attending almost every meeting after 9/11 and Reagan only attended one or two meetings in his entire 8 years...and that's during the Cold War. The President reads the daily briefings and asks any questions he has.
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