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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    All I see is a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacking and use of hindsight plus a crap-ton load of blame-game finger pointing.

    I did not vote for Obama. Not in either election.

    I'm not covering for anything.

    The POTUS - regardless of who he/she is, past, present, or future, can't be held responsible for the prevention of terrorist groups forming in foreign countries.

    Foreign policy???? Like what? Stop sending them money? Stop providing them with weapons and aid? Trade embargo?

    What's a sitting US President supposed to do to stop the next ISIS-type group from forming in some country the US is basically extremely unfriendly with?
    Threaten that country with war? Not buy oil from them?

    What?

    This is a lot like saying the police should be able to prevent the next serial killer from becoming a serial killer. Easy to look back after the fact and ask why something wasn't done.
    Impossible to look forward and stop the next one from happening.


    You want foreign policy? How about the USofA get the ever living hell out of the Middle East? Stop putting money into their hands. Stop buying their products. Stop dealing with them in any and every way. Get out of their government. Get out of there completely. Stop interfering and trying to micro-manage every aspect of their existence based on what "we" think "they" should be doing. Let them do whatever the hell they want and live the life they want to live without any "foreign" input what-so-ever.

    Let them fight out their existence between themselves, and we just sit back and watch.

    That might end all threats towards the USofA completely don't ya think?
    No. I can sympathize with much of what you say here, I feel the frustration of alot of it myself. But, that said, we are where we are. We have interests in the ME weather it's a good idea or not, and until we come to the reality that we need to drill our own oil, and admit that the global collective anything is a ruse for global wealth redistribution, these types will always feel as though they are not getting enough, thus prompting them to act out...

    This bent today is different, they are not attacking us, and our interests because we are involved in the ME, but rather that is only the pretext, the excuse. Their goals are clear, and they continue to say them outright, and that is the global caliphate, the domination of Shria everywhere. The only problem we have in understanding is that we have leaders that want to make it more complicated than it really is.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No. I can sympathize with much of what you say here, I feel the frustration of alot of it myself. But, that said, we are where we are. We have interests in the ME weather it's a good idea or not, and until we come to the reality that we need to drill our own oil, and admit that the global collective anything is a ruse for global wealth redistribution, these types will always feel as though they are not getting enough, thus prompting them to act out...

    This bent today is different, they are not attacking us, and our interests because we are involved in the ME, but rather that is only the pretext, the excuse. Their goals are clear, and they continue to say them outright, and that is the global caliphate, the domination of Shria everywhere. The only problem we have in understanding is that we have leaders that want to make it more complicated than it really is.
    If that is true, then they have already lost. They simply lack the ability or the support. And if we quit helping them garner support, they'd be even less now.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well sure, but the claim is that he put politics ahead of dealing with ISIS so it is no defense in claiming that he couldn't do anything with an election coming up. That is just agreeing.

    The other part of this is that if this is true, that he had accurate intelligence for years, then the president just lied on 60 minutes.
    Heya JM That's what he did.....as Maliki came to him in Nov of last year. Requesting aid and help to go after ISIL. Who he had informed BO was using Syria and that it was all spilling over into Iraq.


    ISIL and Obama’s Ignorance
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    While president Obama was off railing about an inactive Congress and fundraising in liberal cities, there was an insidious rise in Islamic terrorism brewing in the Middle East. Today, the president blames faulty intelligence for being caught with his pants down regarding the bloody and sadistic advance of ISIL- the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Yet in March of this year, it was reported that ISIL fighters were in Lebanon fighting Hezbollah militants. Apparently not content with just Hezbollah, they found a target of opportunity that they hate perhaps more than Shi’ite Muslims- members of the Israeli Defense Forces patrolling along the Lebanese-Israel border. Prior to that, there were reports that they were recruiting people from Kazakhstan to fight in Syria. ISIL goes back before June, 2014.

    The “being caught off guard” line is silly. There was ample evidence that ISIL had designs beyond the Syrian borders. They were, after all, already operating in Lebanon. Admittedly, the weak government of Maliki in Iraq did not help matters and ISIL saw an opportunity and took full advantage of it. Today, the border between Syria and Iraq is all but obliterated and controlled by these people as they push deeper into Iraq. This is par for the course for this president who learns of world and domestic events on the nightly news. Is CNN and NBC now his de facto CIA? When he and his spokespeople make these claims, it is not a deflection of blame onto the intelligence community, but an admittance of their own ineptitude, ignorance, or both. There was ample warning from a variety of sources that ISIL would move to seize cities in Iraq in early 2014. Again, the Obama administration preferred to stick their head in the sand. To them, Iraq was over and the sooner the better forgotten. Many blame the inability to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement with the Maliki government that could have left a standing military presence in Iraq. This is kind of disingenuous. On the one hand, they are claiming that the Maliki government is weak while on the other hand they state they could not negotiate an agreement…with a weak government. If you cannot negotiate an agreement with a weak government, that says loads about your “foreign policy” and international prestige.....snip~

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by SENSIBLE PATRIO View Post
    Silly bunny, he allowed Isis to take back all the cities Americans fought, and died for to free the Iraqi people, but he doesn't care.hey were the JV no threat
    There are "growing threats" all around the world. I can't get into what was stated but did it say that the Iraqi army was unable to meet the threat? Did it say mass desertion would lead to the taking of Iraq? I wonder if Russia is a "growing threat" according to the intelligence community?
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    On the one hand, they are claiming that the Maliki government is weak while on the other hand they state they could not negotiate an agreement…with a weak government. If you cannot negotiate an agreement with a weak government, that says loads about your “foreign policy” and international prestige.....snip~
    A weak government has to bend to public opinion. Public opinion in Iraq was for American troops to leave. Maliki himself may of even wanted American troops to stay but if he feels as if he's barely holding onto power the last thing he's going to do is go against his population on such a supercharged issue.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    ... which, of course, is immaterial. Unless, of course, we want to point out how incredibly stupid it would be to make the same mistake your predecessor made.
    It's not immaterial to the 3,000 Americans killed that day. Your support of Bush has you a bit calloused.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Two things: 1) the knee-jerk attempts by the left to deflect any incompetence from this administration by pointing out the (supposed) incompetence of its predecessor is beyond moronic, is no real defense at all of Obama, and was a tired strategy 5 years ago. 2) Given your 20/20 hindsight of the matter, what should Bush have done with those warnings? Declare martial law?

    And finally, what we have here with Obama is his getting the assessments of ISIS and now lying about it. Try to deal with the topic of the thread rather than derail it and slam Bush. Bush is out of office. He has been for six years. Obama is president and the thread is about Obama. If you cant follow along, start your own Bush-bashing thread and stay out of this one. Thanks
    It's not a defense. Obama is guilty as charged in the op. It's pointed out that George Bush is likewise guilty of the same thing to expose your and others hypocrisy! Understand that?
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by SENSIBLE PATRIO View Post
    And yet no indication they were going to use planes as missiles, the things going on with Isis have happened right out in the open for all to see.
    More lies to cover up the FAILINGS of your hero!

    Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an airliner and fly it into government buildings like the Pentagon.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-w...de-hijackings/
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    There are "growing threats" all around the world. I can't get into what was stated but did it say that the Iraqi army was unable to meet the threat? Did it say mass desertion would lead to the taking of Iraq? I wonder if Russia is a "growing threat" according to the intelligence community?
    Yes, there are growing threats around the world, but in this case there was a growing threat in a region that Obama was busy withdrawing troops from. This isn't analogous to the Russian situation because we didn't withdraw a large contingent of US troops from Ukraine while Russian troops were amassing on the border.

    What this shows is that the President was remarkably myopic in his actions in a region in which he claimed to be clear on. All this while his die hard defenders claimed there was really no need for the President to attend all of those security briefings he missed. Apparently there was very good reason for him to be there because if he was as astonishingly ignorant as he claims on 60 Minutes of the reality on the ground in Iraq then whatever was substituting the face to face meeting wasn't working.

    His attempt to pass the buck on 60 minutes just underscores what a disastrous leader he turned out to be.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    A weak government has to bend to public opinion. Public opinion in Iraq was for American troops to leave. Maliki himself may of even wanted American troops to stay but if he feels as if he's barely holding onto power the last thing he's going to do is go against his population on such a supercharged issue.

    Mornin" ILOR. That is true.....and the Shia and Al Sadr and who Sadr answers to. Wanted us out. Still even after BO pulled out.....Maliki returned requesting help in Nov. of last year. Which BO denied and worrying what Maliki would do if given such Aid. Which anything with Maliki doesn't change what he was being told and knew about ISIL back then.


    Obama Meets Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki As Terror Rages Across Country.....

    President Obama's proud political boast is that he ended the Iraq war, but on Friday, he will come face-to-face with a man who is still fighting it -- Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. The Iraqi leader visits the White House as Al-Qaeda sows terror in Iraq's Shiite community, with a surge of suicide and car bombings, drawing analogies to the darkest days of sectarian bloodletting during the US occupation. Two years after the last US soldier left Iraq, Americans have largely moved on from a war which killed nearly 4,500 US troops, tens of thousands of civilians and drained the US Treasury. But the carnage in Iraq -- where more than 700 people have died in violence this month alone -- is stirring fears the country may again slide into an abyss exacerbated by the brutal war rending Syria next door. "The security situation is not only bad... it not only could reverse all of the gains of 2008, it could tear the country apart if both Maliki and the United States do not act quickly," said James Jeffrey, until last year, the US ambassador to Iraq, who is now with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

    Maliki, blamed by some Iraq watchers in Washington for marginalizing Sunnis and sinking a well of sectarian anger for extremists to exploit, is blunt about the challenge. "The terrorists found a second chance," he said in a speech in Washington Thursday, warning Al-Qaeda and allied groups were a "virus." Maliki has a wish list of US military hardware, including attack helicopters to go with already ordered fighter jets to help his ill-equipped military battle insurgents. There is a certain irony in his request -- given the failure of Iraqi and US negotiators to agree legal immunity for US troops that would have allowed a residual American force to stay behind in Iraq. Iraq's slide back into violence has revived questions here about the wisdom of the complete US withdrawal, the Maliki government's conduct since and America's future relationship with a nation it invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein.....snip~

    Obama Meets Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki As Terror Rages Across Country
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