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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    So when a "potential threat" is "possibly" growing in a foreign country, what's a POTUS supposed to do?

    Declare war and invade?

    Who would have supported an invasion of Syria in 2011-2012?

    Who supports an invasion of Syria now?

    Why is it always up to the USofA to do something about terror groups forming and growing in Middle Eastern countries?

    If an ISIS type group had started and festered in Kentucky, then the POTUS can rightfully be blamed.

    Exactly how many countries should the USofA invade militarily?
    How many countries should we be actively at war with right now based on current, potential, and possible future threats from terrorism?


    It's amazing to me how many people think the POTUS can do magical things in foreign countries with military force.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well sure, but the claim is that he put politics ahead of dealing with ISIS so it is no defense in claiming that he couldn't do anything with an election coming up. That is just agreeing.

    The other part of this is that if this is true, that he had accurate intelligence for years, then the president just lied on 60 minutes.
    In his defense, he lies about everything so how would anyone know?

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So when a "potential threat" is "possibly" growing in a foreign country, what's a POTUS supposed to do?

    Declare war and invade?

    Who would have supported an invasion of Syria in 2011-2012?

    Who supports an invasion of Syria now?

    Why is it always up to the USofA to do something about terror groups forming and growing in Middle Eastern countries?

    If an ISIS type group had started and festered in Kentucky, then the POTUS can rightfully be blamed.

    Exactly how many countries should the USofA invade militarily?
    How many countries should we be actively at war with right now based on current, potential, and possible future threats from terrorism?


    It's amazing to me how many people think the POTUS can do magical things in foreign countries with military force.
    Silly bunny, he allowed Isis to take back all the cities Americans fought, and died for to free the Iraqi people, but he doesn't care.hey were the JV no threat

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election, says administration insider | Daily Mail Online

    A national security staffer in the Obama administration said the president has been seeing 'highly accurate predictions' about the rise of the ISIS terror army since 'before the 2012 election'
    Obama insisted in his campaign speeches that year that America was safe and al-Qaeda was 'on the run'
    The president said during Sunday's '60 Minutes' program that his Director of National Intelligence had conceded he underestimated ISIS
    But the administration aide insisted that Obama's advisers gave him actionable information that sat and gathered dust for more than a year
    'He knew what was at stake,' the aide said of the president, and 'he knew where all the moving pieces were'
    Obama takes daily intelligence briefings in writing, he explained, because no one will be able to testify about warning the president in person about threats that the White House doesn't act on


    Hmmm, this is interesting. This guy isn't even going through the motions.

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    I would say in 2012 which was 2 years ago there probably was quite a lot of reports on ISIS as a growing organization full of bad guys. But ISIS would have been no where near what it is today. Perhaps and I am only guessing, just another splinter group of anti-Assad rebels with ties or being affiliated with AQ. Remember Ollie North warned congress and the whole world of UBL during the Iran-Contra hearings and was basically laughed at.

    Being our number one priority was trying to depose of Assad, we at that time may even have looked upon ISIS as a helpful organization. I am sure we knew back then quite a lot of the anti Assad rebels were part of or affiliated with terrorist organizations. We have been known to utilize many bad guys to accomplish our geopolitical goals and agendas. ISIS and others of basically of the same ilk in Syria probably fell into that category.

    Times change, so too do organizations capabilities like ISIS. Who really knows outside those of our intel organizations exactly what ISIS was deemed capable of back in 2012? Also remember we as a nation have become reliant more and more on technology for our intel and less and less on humint and it was very hard to get accurate info from anyone on the ground inside Syria and with the rebels back then.

    Now later, late 2013, early 2014, we should have known quite a lot more about them and their capabilities.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So when a "potential threat" is "possibly" growing in a foreign country, what's a POTUS supposed to do?
    His job. There are indications that he wouldn't even take in person PDB's from Clapper, or his military people, so he fails at that.

    Declare war and invade?
    Logical fallacy. No one is saying that he should have declared war prior to sending our forces into harms way. But now that he has sent our military, he needs to do the right thing and put it before congress for a vote, and not pull his usual banana dictator crap and go it alone.

    Who would have supported an invasion of Syria in 2011-2012?
    Not many, if any...However, are you telling me that you don't think that there is anything between doing nothing, and all out war? If so, then you really shouldn't post, because it doesn't look like you know what you are talking about.

    Who supports an invasion of Syria now?
    Not many, but more than did last year. Again, why is it all or nothing?

    Why is it always up to the USofA to do something about terror groups forming and growing in Middle Eastern countries?
    Now there's the question...I can agree that part of the problem over there is that since we in the US have positioned ourselves as the worlds SWAT force, when anything crops up immediately all eyes in the room look at us and wait. However, I for one don't think we have ever done what we should before jumping to action. Post WWII that is.

    My thought is that long before now we should have diplomatically laid the smack down on all of these players, Iran, SA, Qutar, Yemen, etc., and basically told them that if they didn't get their act together on this, we'd hold them responsible as state sponsors. Writing a check, and holding our coats is just not good enough...

    If an ISIS type group had started and festered in Kentucky, then the POTUS can rightfully be blamed.
    No he can be blamed now, because he assures us he knows the situation, and assured the American people that he not only had it under control, but had all but done away with the threat. Who knew that was just the big blow off so he could make his tee time on time. Oh, that's right, we did.

    Exactly how many countries should the USofA invade militarily?
    Again lots of steps in between to consider...

    How many countries should we be actively at war with right now based on current, potential, and possible future threats from terrorism?
    At the rate which Obama is downgrading our military to pre WWII levels, not many...I'd be surprised if this bumbler could even protect our own borders...ooooops....

    It's amazing to me how many people think the POTUS can do magical things in foreign countries with military force.
    It's not magic...But thanks for actually verbalizing that liberals just don't understand foreign policy, and how to use military force.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So when a "potential threat" is "possibly" growing in a foreign country, what's a POTUS supposed to do?

    Declare war and invade?

    Who would have supported an invasion of Syria in 2011-2012?

    Who supports an invasion of Syria now?

    Why is it always up to the USofA to do something about terror groups forming and growing in Middle Eastern countries?

    If an ISIS type group had started and festered in Kentucky, then the POTUS can rightfully be blamed.

    Exactly how many countries should the USofA invade militarily?
    How many countries should we be actively at war with right now based on current, potential, and possible future threats from terrorism?


    It's amazing to me how many people think the POTUS can do magical things in foreign countries with military force.
    What's more amazing are the things people say to cover for Obama's incompetance.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would say in 2012 which was 2 years ago there probably was quite a lot of reports on ISIS as a growing organization full of bad guys. But ISIS would have been no where near what it is today. Perhaps and I am only guessing, just another splinter group of anti-Assad rebels with ties or being affiliated with AQ. Remember Ollie North warned congress and the whole world of UBL during the Iran-Contra hearings and was basically laughed at.

    Being our number one priority was trying to depose of Assad, we at that time may even have looked upon ISIS as a helpful organization. I am sure we knew back then quite a lot of the anti Assad rebels were part of or affiliated with terrorist organizations. We have been known to utilize many bad guys to accomplish our geopolitical goals and agendas. ISIS and others of basically of the same ilk in Syria probably fell into that category.

    Times change, so too do organizations capabilities like ISIS. Who really knows outside those of our intel organizations exactly what ISIS was deemed capable of back in 2012? Also remember we as a nation have become reliant more and more on technology for our intel and less and less on humint and it was very hard to get accurate info from anyone on the ground inside Syria and with the rebels back then.

    Now later, late 2013, early 2014, we should have known quite a lot more about them and their capabilities.


    Not really Pero.....ISIL was AQ in the Levant. Not some splinter group of Anti Assad rebels. Al Nusra was the Splinter group. ISIL became ISIS.

    Also we knew ISIS was in Lebanon in March of last year.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Interesting. But there is a fine line between "had intelligence reports" and "have evidence to take to Congress." In 2012, it would have been hard sell especially with the election coming up.
    Heya 88. Depends on ones version of what is accurate.....huh?



    Obama Missed More Than Half Of Intelligence Briefings, Government Accountability Report Says.....


    President Barack Obama has missed more than half of his intelligence briefings during his time in office, according to a new Government Accountability Institute (GAI) report. The intelligence daily briefings report indicates that President Obama only attended 42.1 percent of the meetings. The Government Accountability Institute’s report on the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) also states that President Obama attended 42.4 percent of the intelligence briefings during his first term in the Oval Office and 41.3 percent of the PDBs during his current term.

    An unnamed Obama administration national security staffer told the Daily Mail that President Obama typically takes the intelligence briefings material in a print form instead of actually attending the meetings. “Unless someone very senior has been shredding the president’s daily briefings and telling him that the dog ate them, highly accurate predictions about ISIL have been showing up in the Oval Office since before the 2012 election,” the security staffer said during the interview. “The intelligence community was sending pretty specific intel to us. We were seeing specific threat assessments and many of them have panned out exactly as we were told they would.”

    Read more at Obama Missed More Than Half Of Intelligence Briefings, Government Accountability Report Says

    Although it does help to show up most of the time.....Just sayin.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    All I see is a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacking and use of hindsight plus a crap-ton load of blame-game finger pointing.

    I did not vote for Obama. Not in either election.

    I'm not covering for anything.

    The POTUS - regardless of who he/she is, past, present, or future, can't be held responsible for the prevention of terrorist groups forming in foreign countries.

    Foreign policy???? Like what? Stop sending them money? Stop providing them with weapons and aid? Trade embargo?

    What's a sitting US President supposed to do to stop the next ISIS-type group from forming in some country the US is basically extremely unfriendly with?
    Threaten that country with war? Not buy oil from them?

    What?

    This is a lot like saying the police should be able to prevent the next serial killer from becoming a serial killer. Easy to look back after the fact and ask why something wasn't done.
    Impossible to look forward and stop the next one from happening.


    You want foreign policy? How about the USofA get the ever living hell out of the Middle East? Stop putting money into their hands. Stop buying their products. Stop dealing with them in any and every way. Get out of their government. Get out of there completely. Stop interfering and trying to micro-manage every aspect of their existence based on what "we" think "they" should be doing. Let them do whatever the hell they want and live the life they want to live without any "foreign" input what-so-ever.

    Let them fight out their existence between themselves, and we just sit back and watch.

    That might end all threats towards the USofA completely don't ya think?

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And George Bush had ample warnings about Al Qaeda before 9/11 that all went ignored.

    How George W. Bush was given SEVEN warnings about threat from Bin Laden in months before 9/11

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    The Deafness Before the Storm
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/op...-warnings.html
    And Bush retired - 6 years ago. We got a new CEO. One who either is incompetant, or hires incompetant people, who do not keep him informed, which is incompetant.

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