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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    LOL Man you guys will just defend anything wont you. So Biden and Obama weren't bright enough to realize that Maliki was a bad guy, so I guess their stupidity is Bushs fault also. Sorry iguanaman but you have zero credibility, but I know who to turn to if I need a hackish defense of a left wing blunder.
    It's not a "defense" against anything. It is just the way it is. You apparently believe Joe Biden to be an expert in Foreign policy. I said he is doing his job. Even I will admit he is not that bright. He's a grass roots kind of guy not a expert in anything but politics.
    The problem with Maliki is that we put all our "eggs" in him. He was the symbol of the new "democratic Iraq" we created so forcibly deposing him was not too appealing. Bush was in a rush to get a Govt. going and the CIA seemed to think he was the only choice at the time. Our bad but not Obama's fault at all.
    Your problem is that all roads must lead to Obama's failure so you refuse to even entertain the thought that Bush left him a time bomb waiting to explode.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It's not a "defense" against anything. It is just the way it is. You apparently believe Joe Biden to be an expert in Foreign policy. I said he is doing his job. Even I will admit he is not that bright. He's a grass roots kind of guy not a expert in anything but politics.
    The problem with Maliki is that we put all our "eggs" in him. He was the symbol of the new "democratic Iraq" we created so forcibly deposing him was not too appealing. Bush was in a rush to get a Govt. going and the CIA seemed to think he was the only choice at the time. Our bad but not Obama's fault at all.
    Your problem is that all roads must lead to Obama's failure so you refuse to even entertain the thought that Bush left him a time bomb waiting to explode.
    When a time bomb goes off 6 years into your presidency, its your problem. And it wasn't just Biden, it was Obama tooting his own horn over how well he had handled Iraq. But again, it comes back to credibility. Your credibility. The idea that six years in you are still blaming Bush just goes to show what an absolute failure Obama has been. The world is coming apart and you just cant bring yourself to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe it is Obamas policies that are at fault. Did he inherit Iraq as a problem? Yes. Did he handle that problem well? Absolutely not. Bush F'ed up in getting us in there and Obama F'ed up in getting us out. It is just your own partisan blindness that prevents you from recognizing that fact.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Sunni militants who now threaten to take over Iraq seemed to spring from nowhere when they stormed Mosul in early June. But the group that recently renamed itself simply “the Islamic State” has existed under various names and in various shapes since the early 1990s. And its story is the story of how modern terrorism has evolved, from a political and religious ideal into a death cult.

    ISIS: A Short History - The Atlantic

    ISIS originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE ISLAMIC STATE. His policies have however been beneficial to it.
    That is like using the fact that bacteria have been around for billions of years as an excuse for a surgeon not washinging their hands.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    So fighting radical islamic groups in foreign countries is part of the job of the US president? That's in our constitution?
    "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments"

    Huh, it appears so.

    And it was the job of the president to invade a foreign nation which had never attacked us or threatened us?
    False. In maintaining the US Resolutions of establishing no-fly zones in Iraq Saddam frequently fired on American planes enforcing the no-fy zone.

    Maybe if bush hadn't over reached his job Obama wouldn't have to over reach his.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    There are zillions of potential "Dr. Evils" in this world, no reason to believe at this point that ISIS has the potential to actually do what it threatens. Don't believe for one second that 31,000 ISIS fighters are going to be able to take over 315 million Americans. Even if they defeated our military, they could never enforce sharia law in a country that is primarally Christian, especially not one that averages 6 firearms per person.
    Oh, you want to wait until they can? Or, until there are disruptive attacks on our soil? I don't. I also don't like the fact that we now have the most dishonest president in history at the helm either.

    What is absolutely stunning to me is that just railed about how the previous administration lied not only support this one, but voted for it twice.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

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    We never did that, but I agree it is an appealing idea. When was the last time that Switzerland was attacked by muslum terrorists?
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    No, but ISIS likely wouldn't be in Iraq if Saddam Hussein was still there. If would have never invaded Iraq, we wouldn't have to be fighting ISIS today.
    OMG. Living in the past is no way to live today. Besides, there is no way you can know, or say that with any certainty, and it makes you look like you support ruthless dictatorships.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Why not? Is there some time limit or some reason to rush?
    Because the longer one goes without engaging the enemy on the ground. Allows them to take more ground and spread. It allows them to conduct operations and to continue their offensives and War.

    Yes......the reason is quite simple. It's so they do not become stronger and so that the War against them will not take a decade or more.

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I see years of not knowing who the enemy is if we put boots on the ground. About the only thing boots on the ground can do to identify the enemy is to stand out in the open until someone starts shooting at them. I don't call that a victory, I call that stupid.

    Its not the responsibility of US troops to die fighting for Iraq. That's Iraq's responsibility. I don't mind aiding them to do what they can't do, but I'm not going to do for them what they can (should) do for themselves.
    LBJ = "...I'm not going to send our boys 9 or 10 thousand miles around the world to do the job that young Asian boys should be doing for themselves..."

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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Why not? Is there some time limit or some reason to rush?
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