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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And Bush retired - 6 years ago. We got a new CEO. One who either is incompetant, or hires incompetant people, who do not keep him informed, which is incompetant.
    A good argument can be made that no human being is competent to be president of 315 million people - let alone president of the world (which is what a lot of posters are claiming that Obama is or should be).

    I would also seriously doubt that we have ever had a president who didn't have someone who was incompetent working somewhere in his cabinet or under his chain of command.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    ...Their goals are clear, and they continue to say them outright, and that is the global caliphate, the domination of Shria everywhere. ....
    There are zillions of potential "Dr. Evils" in this world, no reason to believe at this point that ISIS has the potential to actually do what it threatens. Don't believe for one second that 31,000 ISIS fighters are going to be able to take over 315 million Americans. Even if they defeated our military, they could never enforce sharia law in a country that is primarally Christian, especially not one that averages 6 firearms per person.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I think Obama believes that, if we withdraw from all the attacks, invasions, coups, etc. and mind our own business that things will calm down in the world. It is an appealing idea. Sadly, it hasn't worked. ...
    We never did that, but I agree it is an appealing idea. When was the last time that Switzerland was attacked by muslum terrorists?
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I wonder if you actually adequately parsed what you are saying here. Are you saying that we allowed ISIS to run roughshod over half of Iraq because Maliki was a bad guy? First off, worse then ISIS? And second, worse than Saddam Hussein?

    Surely you aren't serious...
    No, but ISIS likely wouldn't be in Iraq if Saddam Hussein was still there. If would have never invaded Iraq, we wouldn't have to be fighting ISIS today.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And Bush retired - 6 years ago. We got a new CEO. One who either is incompetant, or hires incompetant people, who do not keep him informed, which is incompetant.
    That seems to be the modus operandi in this administration.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course ISIS isn't Bush's fault.

    I also don't see success without "boots on the ground."
    I see years of not knowing who the enemy is if we put boots on the ground. About the only thing boots on the ground can do to identify the enemy is to stand out in the open until someone starts shooting at them. I don't call that a victory, I call that stupid.

    Its not the responsibility of US troops to die fighting for Iraq. That's Iraq's responsibility. I don't mind aiding them to do what they can't do, but I'm not going to do for them what they can (should) do for themselves.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, and we cant wait 3 years to train up the minimum of what General Dempsey said would be needed.....nor can we just rely on those Arab states to accomplish the mission.
    Why not? Is there some time limit or some reason to rush?
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I see years of not knowing who the enemy is if we put boots on the ground. About the only thing boots on the ground can do to identify the enemy is to stand out in the open until someone starts shooting at them. I don't call that a victory, I call that stupid.

    Its not the responsibility of US troops to die fighting for Iraq. That's Iraq's responsibility. I don't mind aiding them to do what they can't do, but I'm not going to do for them what they can (should) do for themselves.
    We already have "boots on the ground"...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    We already have "boots on the ground"...
    Hopefully not standing out in the open as bate for ISIS fighters.

    Seriously, what would US combat troops do? Go house to house asking people if they are the enemy? Order all ISIS fighters to report and stand in line for execution?

    We can't tell the difference between ISIS and the native population (and they probably can't tell the difference either). But you can bet that ISIS can identify US troops. US boots on the ground would either have to just kill everyone indiscriminately (which we can do from the air anyhow), or stand around waiting for someone to start shooting at them. Either way, I don't see that as a winning situation.
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    Re: Obama has had accurate intelligence about ISIS since BEFORE the 2012 election Re

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Hopefully not standing out in the open as bate for ISIS fighters.

    Seriously, what would US combat troops do? Go house to house asking people if they are the enemy? Order all ISIS fighters to report and stand in line for execution?

    We can't tell the difference between ISIS and the native population (and they probably can't tell the difference either). But you can bet that ISIS can identify US troops. US boots on the ground would either have to just kill everyone indiscriminately (which we can do from the air anyhow), or stand around waiting for someone to start shooting at them. Either way, I don't see that as a winning situation.
    They have an organized C&C structure, move like an army, and strike like an army. Identification of the enemy and its structure is the first rule of warfare. That takes on the ground intelligence...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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