Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 81

Thread: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

  1. #61
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok. Then I go back again to my original point. The cit government is not a for profit run business.

    Back to my original point which you clearly didn't answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well.. I think its obvious. The city of Ferguson is obviously is hiding something... [/FONT][/COLOR]

    Prove it.

    Prove that this isn't what they normally charge.


    And back also to my second point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No one has yet to show that the costs are exorbitant, unjustified or done to prevent release of information.
    The last claim being idiotic.
    Last edited by Excon; 09-30-14 at 01:03 AM.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  2. #62
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,217

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I recently had to gather donor info for a person who is running for office. The freedom of information request cost me a total around $20. It was around 40 pages. Was in the office for around 45 minutes.
    That's interesting, but I'm not sure what the relevance is to this discussion.

  3. #63
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,217

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok. Then I go back again to my original point. The cit government is not a for profit run business.
    You're absolutely correct. No government entity is or should be a profit run business.

    What specific documents were they looking for anyway? And for what reason?

    I'm just curious, did they get what they were looking for in the end (documents)? If so, doesn't it challenge your assertion that they have "something to hide"? I'm not clear on what your major gripe with this story is - the high fees, or the notion that they're hiding something (and if so, what would they be hiding that would impact the Brown shooting)?

  4. #64
    Sage
    gdgyva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Twinsburg Ohio
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    5,952

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    County office.



    No idea. Nor should that have to do with anything because the government is not a profit and demand...


    What is then? If you have the information please provide it...

    with most requests, i would agree

    this is a fairly unusual situation for a small government office

    they are being inundated with thousands of requests, from every media outlet in the country

    from the biggies like the cnns, abc, ap, all the way down to the local reporters at some small newspaper down south

    then you have the requests from the columnists, bloggers, editorialists, and other associated writers all over the internet

    do you really think you are comparing apples to apples?

    they are supplying the information....for a price

    i would suppose they brought on additional staff to help, and some sort of legal representation to go through the stuff before it is sent out
    “Most of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.”

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

  5. #65
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    with most requests, i would agree

    this is a fairly unusual situation for a small government office

    they are being inundated with thousands of requests, from every media outlet in the country

    from the biggies like the cnns, abc, ap, all the way down to the local reporters at some small newspaper down south

    then you have the requests from the columnists, bloggers, editorialists, and other associated writers all over the internet

    do you really think you are comparing apples to apples?

    they are supplying the information....for a price

    i would suppose they brought on additional staff to help, and some sort of legal representation to go through the stuff before it is sent out
    A keep on hearing this word "thousands".. But..... "And it follows dozens of records requests to Ferguson under the state's Sunshine Law, which can offer an unvarnished look into government activity."


  6. #66
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's interesting, but I'm not sure what the relevance is to this discussion.
    It was not 10 times the cost of an employees salary. It was a reasonable amount.


  7. #67
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post

    What specific documents were they looking for anyway? And for what reason?
    e-mail accounts following the shooting, police reports, personnel files, text messages.
    And because they wanted to see what the city government and officials were doing following the shooting. Doing some reporting, ya know.


    I'm just curious, did they get what they were looking for in the end (documents)? If so, doesn't it challenge your assertion that they have "something to hide"? I'm not clear on what your major gripe with this story is - the high fees, or the notion that they're hiding something (and if so, what would they be hiding that would impact the Brown shooting)?
    No.


  8. #68
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Back to my original point which you clearly didn't answer.



    And back also to my second point.
    Its called common sense. If you pay an employee 13.50 an hour then charge 10 times that amount...


  9. #69
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its called common sense. If you pay an employee 13.50 an hour then charge 10 times that amount...
    Clearly you do not know what common sense is.

    You haven't proved jack.
    Nor is your ridiculously absurd illogical insinuation is "common sense".

    The fact that they can get the information they request just shows by "common sense" that nothing is being hidden.


    The only thing is cost, and the article pretty much explains that an outside consulting firm is being used, which is reasonable.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  10. #70
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Clearly you do not know what common sense is.

    You haven't proved jack.
    Nor is your ridiculously absurd illogical insinuation is "common sense".

    The fact that they can get the information they request just shows by "common sense" that nothing is being hidden.


    The only thing is cost, and the article pretty much explains that an outside consulting firm is being used, which is reasonable.
    "An average hourly rate for clerical staff to make copies. The FY 2010 average hourly pay rate for clerical staff is $12. This will be the standard fee for staff time for making copies, with a minimum charge of $6 or ½ hour of time." Open Record-Sunshine Requests - DNR


Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •