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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I doubt anyone would argue that they should charge whatever they want. The individuals in this thread seem to be explaining why this is a reasonable price, or asking what the normal price is for comparison.

    The govt of Ferguson should charge whatever is reasonable <> The govt of Ferguson should charge whatever they want.
    No, not one right winger has argued they should charge whatever is reasonable. they have argued that the price should priced high enough to discourage requests which, by definition, is unreasonable. There is also a post saying it's OK for ferguson to use the requests to increase revenue
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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I like how, when it comes to things like public land, water and tax money, the right is all "It belongs to the people and the people paid for it so the people should be able to keep it and use it however they want" but when it comes to public records they get all "The govt of Ferguson should charge whatever they want. It's their records!"
    One small issue there, the public DOES have to pay for these records requests. If these requests could be fulfilled by an employee or employees as part of their regular duties then the price might be unreasonable but if it requires overtime, new employees, legal review, etc. then passing the cost on to the requesting entities is wholly appropriate.

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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    One small issue there, the public DOES have to pay for these records requests. If these requests could be fulfilled by an employee or employees as part of their regular duties then the price might be unreasonable but if it requires overtime, new employees, legal review, etc. then passing the cost on to the requesting entities is wholly appropriate.
    As the OP makes clear, it's the requestor who is paying (or more accurately, over paying) for the requests.

    And $135/hr is not "passing on the cost"
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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I like how, when it comes to things like public land, water and tax money, the right is all "It belongs to the people and the people paid for it so the people should be able to keep it and use it however they want" but when it comes to public records they get all "The govt of Ferguson should charge whatever they want. It's their records!"

    so, the county should go bankrupt because some idiotic blogger puts in a request for information?

    they arent denying the requests....they are just making the media (all media) pay for it

    you want all the emails the chief sent out....sure....pony up your checkbook son.....

    we have to pay those clerks to assemble that information, and copy that information

    and with this many requests, that small administrative office is working lots of OT

    should the citizens pay for that? or the media companies that want the information?

    i vote the media companies.....
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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, not one right winger has argued they should charge whatever is reasonable. they have argued that the price should priced high enough to discourage requests which, by definition, is unreasonable. There is also a post saying it's OK for ferguson to use the requests to increase revenue
    1. The single post regarding local governments using any means necessary to raise runds does not indicate an opinion either way, simply that they do (He/she never said it was ok, simply that they do and they are surprised liberals don't like it). If anything, that would indicate the opposite of an endorsement.

    2. They have argued that the price should be high enough to discourage an UNreasonable volume of requests.

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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

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    so, the county should go bankrupt because some idiotic blogger puts in a request for information?

    they arent denying the requests....they are just making the media (all media) pay for it

    you want all the emails the chief sent out....sure....pony up your checkbook son.....

    we have to pay those clerks to assemble that information, and copy that information

    and with this many requests, that small administrative office is working lots of OT

    should the citizens pay for that? or the media companies that want the information?

    i vote the media companies.....
    Even at time and a half, it doesn't cost them $135/hr. That's $90/hr straight time and if that's what their clerks are being paid, then I think we found the reason why Ferguson is going bankrupt.
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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    1. The single post regarding local governments using any means necessary to raise runds does not indicate an opinion either way, simply that they do (He/she never said it was ok, simply that they do and they are surprised liberals don't like it). If anything, that would indicate the opposite of an endorsement.

    2. They have argued that the price should be high enough to discourage an UNreasonable volume of requests.
    1) Keep telling yourself that

    2) There is no such thing as an "unreasonable volume of requests". Individual requests are either reasonable or not, and Ferguson is not claiming the requests are unreasonable (in which case they could simply deny the request)

    And setting the fee in order to reduce requests is unreasonable.
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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    As the OP makes clear, it's the requestor who is paying (or more accurately, over paying) for the requests.

    And $135/hr is not "passing on the cost"
    How can you be sure that $135/hr is unreasonable? Ferguson is under the microscope of the DoJ and any mistake they make is likely to be blown WAY out of proportion so legal review of any release is imperative. On top of that any personal information released about personnel could result in that person being harassed or even harmed so, under the circumstances, the "due diligence" stakes increase exponentially from what they normally are. Frankly, $135/hr is dirt cheap for professional legal review services.

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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    No one has yet to show that the costs are exorbitant, unjustified or done to prevent release of information.
    The last claim being idiotic.
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    Re: Ferguson Demands High Fees To Turn Over City Files

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    How can you be sure that $135/hr is unreasonable? Ferguson is under the microscope of the DoJ and any mistake they make is likely to be blown WAY out of proportion so legal review of any release is imperative. On top of that any personal information released about personnel could result in that person being harassed or even harmed so, under the circumstances, the "due diligence" stakes increase exponentially from what they normally are. Frankly, $135/hr is dirt cheap for professional legal review services.

    do you think the request comes in, some clerks fills it, and thats it?

    no review?

    no oversight?

    really?

    i wouldnt let a shred of paperwork go until my legal team cleared it....

    and my corporate lawyers bill @ 165 hour for the regular guys, and 225 for the partners
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