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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, someone who is drunk cannot give consent, so it would be considered rape.
    I feared I was wasting my time posting a link to the actual bill (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...1320140SB967);

    (4) A policy that, in the evaluation of complaints in the disciplinary process, it shall not be a valid excuse that the accused believed that the complainant affirmatively consented to the sexual activity if the accused knew or reasonably should have known that the complainant was unable to consent to the sexual activity under any of the following circumstances:

    (A) The complainant was asleep or unconscious.

    (B) The complainant was incapacitated due to the influence of drugs, alcohol, or medication, so that the complainant could not understand the fact, nature, or extent of the sexual activity.

    (C) The complainant was unable to communicate due to a mental or physical condition.
    For the hard of thinking, drunk doesn't automatically mean incapacitated. A person can consent to sex if they're drunk. A person can't consent to sex if they're incapacitated.

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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

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    Sex Contracts?
    There's an app for that....

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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I feared I was wasting my time posting a link to the actual bill (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...1320140SB967);



    For the hard of thinking, drunk doesn't automatically mean incapacitated. A person can consent to sex if they're drunk. A person can't consent to sex if they're incapacitated.
    Yeah, those little floppy definitions certainly aren't going to blow up in our face. Oh wait...that's exactly what it'll do.
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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Hint: If your partner's drunk, it's probably not consensual.
    Please! The wife and I get loaded all the time because drunk sex is awesome

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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    From the article





    Nope, someone who is drunk cannot give consent, so it would be considered rape. And we know that drunk college kids are oh so going to be the model of restraint and intelligence.
    I guess the girl will now have to sign on the dotted line on his condom, before he mounts her.
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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I feared I was wasting my time posting a link to the actual bill (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...1320140SB967);



    For the hard of thinking, drunk doesn't automatically mean incapacitated. A person can consent to sex if they're drunk. A person can't consent to sex if they're incapacitated.
    Where's the definition of "incapacitated" in the legislature? Because based on (B), they stated that while "incapacitated....complainant could not understand the fact...". That reads to me that you can be awake and alert in order for you to not understand something..

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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I feared I was wasting my time posting a link to the actual bill (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...1320140SB967);



    For the hard of thinking, drunk doesn't automatically mean incapacitated. A person can consent to sex if they're drunk. A person can't consent to sex if they're incapacitated.
    so who determines whether or not she was so ****faced she could or couldnt consent?

    he says she nodded yes....she doesnt remember crap

    damn glad i am out of college, and so are all my kids

    i agree we have a sexual assault problem on campuses, but i dont think this is the answer
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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Where's the definition of "incapacitated" in the legislature? Because based on (B), they stated that while "incapacitated....complainant could not understand the fact...". That reads to me that you can be awake and alert in order for you to not understand something..
    What is "reasonable doubt"?

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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so who determines whether or not she was so ****faced she could or couldnt consent?

    he says she nodded yes....she doesnt remember crap

    damn glad i am out of college, and so are all my kids

    i agree we have a sexual assault problem on campuses, but i dont think this is the answer
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    Re: California bill requiring college students to give consent before sex becomes law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh great now were going to have idiots presenting their absurd interpretations of this law again.
    Do you have no sence of humor at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    From what I read, the main problem are not the existing laws, but the fact that authorities ignored cases of sexual assault and didnt take victims serious.

    So this is just what my German-English dictonary translates as "tokenisitik".

    It serves no purpose other than attempting to create the illusion that something is done about the problem.

    Whilest the real cause of the problem is ignored.
    I've got exactly the same feeling. Like they're imitating activity. I wonder what the results of this legislation would be...

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    The new slogan is yes means yes, bc "no means no" did not prevent rapes. I hope they didn't waste money on this!
    I'm sure they did! And they are very proud of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Are you suggesting that you don't know if the person you are having sex with has actually consented to have sex with you?

    Because if you don't, the law isn't your only serious problem.
    Just curious why you needed to get personal and to diagnose me. Still, you are obviously not House M.D.
    And if you haven't noticed, I was talking about the law, not my personal experience. Be attentive, use the context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Hint: If your partner's drunk, it's probably not consensual.
    But how can you eveluate? One glass of wine - drunk or not drunk enough? Can give consent or not? Two glasses? A bottle? Where's the line? And what if both have consumed some amount of alcohol?
    Hint is not enough, I'm confused...

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