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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not a Saudi apologizes...but there's two major points....

    They are a dictatorship in a very troubled region. They are already on shaky ground by supporting the US in a lot of ways. They are doing everything they can to hold on to power and supporting the US can only go so far before they piss off their own population. Their money given to fundamentalist groups is straight up bribery. They are obviously not a fundamentalist monarchy they are a monarchy governed by self-preservation and making money.

    Second major point, there's no doubt we prefer a Saudi Monarchy in their current form over them being replaced. Saudi Arabia is where the Muslim religion started and is a very holy land for them. There's no doubt that a removal of the Monarchy would result in Saudi being the natural home of a new caliphate...backed by some of the largest oil reserves in the world.

    So, I think it's easy to criticize them but the Monarchy there is balancing themselves are a razor's edge and the US has every reason to want the Monarchy to succeed.

    If anything, this shows how our continued dependence of fossil fuels has some really bad consequences.
    I agree with most of that.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't think there's any way to know for sure what the nationalities of all the people involved in 9/11 were. It seems to me you're ignoring the ability of the jihadists to fake passports and other identification. There were a couple Al Qaeda cells in Spain that were dedicated to doing that.

    Gov't documents (below) show a scene that differs from your evaluation. They knew things that we did NOT.

    WASHINGTON, March 26 - The episode has been retold so many times in the last three and a half years that it has become the stuff of political legend: in the frenzied days after Sept. 11, 2001, when some flights were still grounded, dozens of well-connected Saudis, including relatives of Osama bin Laden, managed to leave the United States on specially chartered flights.

    Now, newly released government records show previously undisclosed flights from Las Vegas and elsewhere and point to a more active role by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in aiding some of the Saudis in their departure.

    The F.B.I. gave personal airport escorts to two prominent Saudi families who fled the United States, and several other Saudis were allowed to leave the country without first being interviewed, the documents show.

    New Details on F.B.I. Aid for Saudis After 9/11
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Gov't documents (below) show a scene that differs from your evaluation. They knew things that we did NOT.
    I don't see what anything that may have been done to help Saudis leave the U.S. after 9/11 has to do with establishing that most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens. It's been suggested that the Bush administration suspected that part of Al Qaeda's strategy was to make Saudi Arabia appear to be responsible for the attacks. If so, I think that suspicion was reasonable, considering that it was known that one of Osama bin Laden's goals was to undermine the Saudi government by stopping the U.S. from supporting or cooperating with it. It seemed to gall him to see an American presence on the same peninsula where Mecca and Medina are located.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I thought we were against dictatorships, or is that only when it's convenient and fits our goals?

    To the underlined comments, you're not apologizing?

    How about we kick their head chopping asses and take their oil?
    Who would you rather see in charge in Saudi...the current monarchy, the fundamentalists they work exhaustively to keep in check, the bedouins? What is your plan to modify an entire peoples social structure and philosophy?

    Ever been there?

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    None of these apologists want to hear the real causes and mistakes. And because of that they'll continue to attack the wrong sources, the wrong ways. They''ll never get it right with their hands over their eyes.
    Lets keep the lights on in case they blink.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The Saudi royal family is more moderate and cosmopolitan than large segments of its population. Your characterization is a simplistic stereotype.
    I agree. Even though there is much to be said about how the House of Saud's Wahhabism has influenced al-Qaeda, the government of Saudi Arabia views political Islam as a threat to its regional influence - their designation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization speaks to this fact. If there's an Arab country that we should go after for funding and supporting extremism, it's Qatar.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    So John McCain will be calling for US troops to invade Yemen next. Awesome.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Who would you rather see in charge in Saudi...the current monarchy, the fundamentalists they work exhaustively to keep in check, the bedouins? What is your plan to modify an entire peoples social structure and philosophy?

    Ever been there?
    Why is everything always one extreme or the other? You offer two polar opposites eliminating all the rational choices in between, which has become the typical response of our gov't.

    I don't need to travel the world to have a political opinion. And I surely wouldn't go to that region.



    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Lets keep the lights on in case they blink.
    That's all I try to do, is keep a light on areas of neglect and privileged position. The real trouble is usually not what we hear of as the causes, but a PR job by the powers to be.

    They say, the 2008 Recession was caused by the banks and they shouldn't be too big to fail. Now, the top 5 are larger than ever and definitely too large to fail, so the question begs, why the cover-ups? A very wise person once told me, follow the money for the root of problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So John McCain will be calling for US troops to invade Yemen next. Awesome.
    McCain is a war monger and damaged goods from his prisoner of war experience. Helix put it in a proper context, that we should apply pressure for an alliance from the oil rich nations in the area that have a larger stake in the outcome than even us.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Ridiculous suggestions that I never made or implied. I said nothing about bombing Saudi Arabia, that's your answer to everything. Holding them responsible for sanctioning and funding terror groups is another story, and one we didn't want to confront.





    More pandering to oil wealth and monopolies.




    We over looked the source, because it didn't agree with our policies and economics, now it's too late. But hey, more of the same is working out well, huh?
    What? You didn't even respond. This clearly isn't a subject that you have great familiarity with.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What? You didn't even respond. This clearly isn't a subject that you have great familiarity with.
    Getting lost in the details and missing the point is clearly what you're doing. Want to talk about how we've been supporting the Saudi regime since the 50's and helped them institute Wahhabism is something I've read all about, but don't care to go into detail. Trying to debate the reasoning for their disputes and internal conflicts is meaningless.

    Keep it short and simple about how we've been playing one religion, sect and region against the other, to keep things in check for energy resources.
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