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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You've missed my point. Saying that we should bomb Saudi Arabia for the actions of some of its citizens is like blaming the UK for ISIS. Hell, as many as 400 UK citizens are currently fighting for ISIS... time to declare war on the UK?
    Ridiculous suggestions that I never made or implied. I said nothing about bombing Saudi Arabia, that's your answer to everything. Holding them responsible for sanctioning and funding terror groups is another story, and one we didn't want to confront.



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    The Saudi royal family is more moderate and cosmopolitan than large segments of its population. Your characterization is a simplistic stereotype.
    More pandering to oil wealth and monopolies.


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    We looked very hard at Saudi Arabia. There was a major security campaign that resulted in hundreds of militants being killed, captured, or driven from the country. You are just saying things that aren't true.
    We over looked the source, because it didn't agree with our policies and economics, now it's too late. But hey, more of the same is working out well, huh?
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I believe if we'd stared in earnest on 9/2/01 we'd be siting pretty right now, the deficit wouldn't be as high, Isis would not have existed, Al Qeada would still be dealt with and Arlington Cemetary would be less populated.
    None of these apologists want to hear the real causes and mistakes. And because of that they'll continue to attack the wrong sources, the wrong ways. They''ll never get it right with their hands over their eyes.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security
    well, then, i suppose Saudi Arabia might want to do something about that after it finishes dealing with IS. perhaps, just perhaps, some of the nations in the region should get together and come up with a plan.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Saudi Arabia has got to be one of the sorriest nations, for their leaders being involved, in the world. Since the 1950's, we've been supporting them and buying their oil, making them one of the richest countries per capita on the globe, and they contribute little to nothing in fighting the extremism in their region. If nothing else, they've actually supported some of it with covert funds, and only get involved in anything that directly affects them.

    Now that Yemen, their back door neighbor is being destabilized, they cry again for help but use none of their massive wealth, military or support to fund and fight themselves. What a bunch of dummies we are for not forcing them to take more action, but we're too busy being their protector, since they controlled so much of our energy needs.
    I'm not a Saudi apologizes...but there's two major points....

    They are a dictatorship in a very troubled region. They are already on shaky ground by supporting the US in a lot of ways. They are doing everything they can to hold on to power and supporting the US can only go so far before they piss off their own population. Their money given to fundamentalist groups is straight up bribery. They are obviously not a fundamentalist monarchy they are a monarchy governed by self-preservation and making money.

    Second major point, there's no doubt we prefer a Saudi Monarchy in their current form over them being replaced. Saudi Arabia is where the Muslim religion started and is a very holy land for them. There's no doubt that a removal of the Monarchy would result in Saudi being the natural home of a new caliphate...backed by some of the largest oil reserves in the world.

    So, I think it's easy to criticize them but the Monarchy there is balancing themselves are a razor's edge and the US has every reason to want the Monarchy to succeed.

    If anything, this shows how our continued dependence of fossil fuels has some really bad consequences.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not a Saudi apologizes...but there's two major points....

    They are a dictatorship in a very troubled region. They are already on shaky ground by supporting the US in a lot of ways. They are doing everything they can to hold on to power and supporting the US can only go so far before they piss off their own population. Their money given to fundamentalist groups is straight up bribery. They are obviously not a fundamentalist monarchy they are a monarchy governed by self-preservation and making money.

    Second major point, there's no doubt we prefer a Saudi Monarchy in their current form over them being replaced. Saudi Arabia is where the Muslim religion started and is a very holy land for them. There's no doubt that a removal of the Monarchy would result in Saudi being the natural home of a new caliphate...backed by some of the largest oil reserves in the world.

    So, I think it's easy to criticize them but the Monarchy there is balancing themselves are a razor's edge and the US has every reason to want the Monarchy to succeed.

    If anything, this shows how our continued dependence of fossil fuels has some really bad consequences.
    I thought we were against dictatorships, or is that only when it's convenient and fits our goals?

    To the underlined comments, you're not apologizing?

    How about we kick their head chopping asses and take their oil?
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I thought we were against dictatorships, or is that only when it's convenient and fits our goals?
    Well, I normally would say yes but the Iraq thing opened my eyes. That region of the world is too full of religious nut cases.

    How about we kick their head chopping asses and take their oil?
    Sure, if we want to commit 100's of thousands of troops for decades.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure, if we want to commit 100's of thousands of troops for decades.
    I bet the King and his rotten son's would run if we even remotely began to apply pressure. But it won't happen, and why nobody ever heard about their meddling, because >>

    Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, one of the richest men in the world and a prominent shareholder in several major Western corporations, has a $300 million stake in Twitter, the increasingly influential microblogging service.

    He is the second largest shareholder after the Murdoch family in Fox News-owner News Corp., and also owns substantial stakes in Time Warner, Citigroup, General Motors and Apple.

    Influence, they has it. And that's only one prince.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I bet the King and his rotten son's would run if we even remotely began to apply pressure. But it won't happen, and why nobody ever heard about their meddling, because >>

    Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, one of the richest men in the world and a prominent shareholder in several major Western corporations, has a $300 million stake in Twitter, the increasingly influential microblogging service.

    He is the second largest shareholder after the Murdoch family in Fox News-owner News Corp., and also owns substantial stakes in Time Warner, Citigroup, General Motors and Apple.

    Influence, they has it. And that's only one prince.
    Oh, I'm sure they have a lot of influence in the US. There's no doubt money buys influence, there's also some really good self-preservation reasons for the Saudi's to behave the way they do and why we treat them the way we do.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men supposedly affiliated with al-Qaeda, and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon. But who do we attack, Afghanistan and Iraq, when the Saudi's clearly have a problem that we're not acknowledging with terrorism and recruiting.

    Something is screwy with those statistics and outcomes.
    I don't think there's any way to know for sure what the nationalities of all the people involved in 9/11 were. It seems to me you're ignoring the ability of the jihadists to fake passports and other identification. There were a couple Al Qaeda cells in Spain that were dedicated to doing that.

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