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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    How was AL-Qaeda so well established in Saudi Arabia before to accomplish such an attack? And why did they recruit so many of the attackers from there? Those questions have never really been asked or answered.

    And why haven't the Saudi's had more involvement in helping with Iraq? It seems to me they just sit back and rake in trillions of petrol dollars, while we clean up all the surrounding messes.
    What? It's been answered extensively and voluminously in hundreds of reports, books, and articles. I'll try and very briefly summarize. Saudi Arabia was the primary financial and political backer (alongside the United States) of the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in which thousands of Saudis fought. The flow of fighters and supporters back from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia created the domestic nucleus for al-Qaeda. Preexisting strains of radical Islamist thought were already pervasive in the Kingdom as evidenced by the Grand Mosque Seizure of 1979.

    As for Iraq the Saudi's strongly opposed the US Invasion and recalled Prince Bandar over his unauthorized endorsements. Afterwards they were deeply suspicious of Malaki and his close ties to Iran and Shia political and militant groups. It was always unreasonable to expect that Saudi Arabia would have warm relations with post-war Iraq. They did however strive to prevent Saudi citizens from crossing into Iraq to fight and Nayef made this a cornerstone achievement of his time at the Interior Ministry.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh, please. Let's not pretend you've come up with a new question. That question has, in fact, been asked and answered a million times.

    It basically comes down to Saudi being a developing country.



    They've designated ISIS a terrorist organization, shared intel and have otherwise been involved.

    Saudi prince and UAE's first female pilot lead blitz on ISIS in Iraq and Syria | Daily Mail Online

    Who is part of the coalition to battle ISIS? - CNN.com


    Using ignorance to construct a conspiracy theory is nonsense.

    All they do is cut the heads and hands off their own Sharia Law rule breaking citizens and roll in oil profits, laughing at us for doing their dirty work. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that we've been anything but used like a cheap date.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Saudi Arabia has got to be one of the sorriest nations, for their leaders being involved, in the world. Since the 1950's, we've been supporting them and buying their oil, making them one of the richest countries per capita on the globe, and they contribute little to nothing in fighting the extremism in their region. If nothing else, they've actually supported some of it with covert funds, and only get involved in anything that directly affects them.

    Now that Yemen, their back door neighbor is being destabilized, they cry again for help but use none of their massive wealth, military or support to fund and fight themselves. What a bunch of dummies we are for not forcing them to take more action, but we're too busy being their protector, since they controlled so much of our energy needs.
    I could be wrong but I think their school system they teach Wahabism, or at least did prior to 9/11. And we financed it through our gasoline purchases. Analyses - Wahhabism | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Calling for regime change in Saudi Arabia IMHO is not the solution as it will only create more instability in the region. The solution IMHO is start moving away from the monopoly gasoline has on the US and global economy so they are no longer so vitally needed, either by us or anybody else. We can do it with new technologies but there's resistance by the oil industry for obvious reasons. There's resistance by the auto industry because they'd rather manufacture cars that bring in 40% profits in genuine replacement parts and will wear out after 100,000 miles so you'll need a new one while not realizing something longer lasting, requires far less maintenance and with the same mass production as traditional cars would be cheaper. There's resistance from car dealerships because unknown to most of the public, they make more profit from their service departments than their sales departments and the new technology requires far less servicing. There's resistance from elected officials because they get paid big time by the lobbyists who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo; big oil, Detroit, the dealership lobby and through loopholes afforded through Superpacs probably indirect support from OPEC. For example: Fox News Channels parent company has significant Saudi Royal family holdings. Lastly there's resistance by the political right who cannot see past their disdain for environmentalists to the grave national security crisis we're in that is rooted in refusing to modernize our transportation.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I could be wrong but I think their school system they teach Wahabism, or at least did prior to 9/11. And we financed it through our gasoline purchases. Analyses - Wahhabism | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Calling for regime change in Saudi Arabia IMHO is not the solution as it will only create more instability in the region. The solution IMHO is start moving away from the monopoly gasoline has on the US and global economy so they are no longer so vitally needed, either by us or anybody else. We can do it with new technologies but there's resistance by the oil industry for obvious reasons. There's resistance by the auto industry because they'd rather manufacture cars that bring in 40% profits in genuine replacement parts and will wear out after 100,000 miles so you'll need a new one while not realizing something longer lasting, requires far less maintenance possible and with the same mass production as traditional cars would be cheaper. There's resistance from car dealerships because unknown to most of the public, they make more profit from their service departments than their sales departments and the new technology requires far less servicing. There's resistance from elected officials because they get paid big time by the lobbyists who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo; big oil, Detroit, the dealership lobby and through loopholes afforded through Superpacs probably indirect support from OPEC. For example: Fox News Channels parent company has significant Saudi Royal family holdings. Lastly there's resistance by the political right who cannot see past their disdain for environmentalists to the grave national security crisis we're in that is rooted in refusing to modernize or transportation.

    No, I've never called for regime changes or our forcing cultural shifts away from their preferred practices. I do believe in moving away from petroleum products as primary energy sources. Much of the past few decades and trillions upon trillions of dollars are spent securing these sources for use, and they could be changed or at least have more domestic production temporarily ramped up. If we can ever stabilize that mess over there that we started long enough, we may be able to detangle ourselves and let them descend back into a medieval style of living, if that's what suits them.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

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    The Saudis can suck my dick.
    Thank you for that inlighted insight and adding so much to the debate.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    What global security?

    Your cesspool of a region, culture, and religion has destabilized the entire planet.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    How was AL-Qaeda so well established in Saudi Arabia before to accomplish such an attack? And why did they recruit so many of the attackers from there? Those questions have never really been asked or answered.

    And why haven't the Saudi's had more involvement in helping with Iraq? It seems to me they just sit back and rake in trillions of petrol dollars, while we clean up all the surrounding messes.
    It's simple, Osama bin Laden was for Saudi Arabia and created al Qaeada. It's not rocket science.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's simple, Osama bin Laden was for Saudi Arabia and created al Qaeada. It's not rocket science.
    Then if it's that simple, then why didn't we look harder at Saudi Arabia the birth place of AQ? We should've dug up the roots before trying to burn the branches.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Then if it's that simple, then why didn't we look harder at Saudi Arabia the birth place of AQ? We should've dug up the roots before trying to burn the branches.
    When you dig there you get oil.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia warns Yemen violence could threaten global security

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    No, I've never called for regime changes or our forcing cultural shifts away from their preferred practices. I do believe in moving away from petroleum products as primary energy sources. Much of the past few decades and trillions upon trillions of dollars are spent securing these sources for use, and they could be changed or at least have more domestic production temporarily ramped up. If we can ever stabilize that mess over there that we started long enough, we may be able to detangle ourselves and let them descend back into a medieval style of living, if that's what suits them.
    Provided its seen as a temporary transitional measure with a greater and more urgent aim of introducing more automobiles on the roads domestically and internationally that do not require gasoline. Many seem to see more domestic oil production as the permanent solution. Treating domestic oil production as the solution will only force the oil-rich Middle East into strategic alliances with China and Russia, which creates a potentially worse national security dilemma.
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