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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Before the SOFA we occupied Iraq under the U.N. mandate that was renewed yearly since 2003. In 2008, the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end the mandate and our "right" to occupy Iraq with it. Without the SOFA agreement signed by Bush in 2008 we would have been in violation of International law to remain in Iraq after 2009.

    UN Resolution 1483 Occupational Mandate and Limitations to the Obligations of US Forces in Iraq | IOSR Journals - Academia.edu
    HAve you actually read the link you submitted? It seems you don't understand SOFAs either.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Before the SOFA we occupied Iraq under the U.N. mandate that was renewed yearly since 2003. In 2008, the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end the mandate and our "right" to occupy Iraq with it. Without the SOFA agreement signed by Bush in 2008 we would have been in violation of International law to remain in Iraq after 2009.

    UN Resolution 1483 Occupational Mandate and Limitations to the Obligations of US Forces in Iraq | IOSR Journals - Academia.edu
    I know this is hard for you to understand but we won the war in Iraq, negotiated the status of forces agreement and left it open for Obama to negotiate a peace keeping force there including our air bases, but according to Obama we left a stable Iraq. so how do you explain the disconnect?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    As is usual for right wing neocons you forget that actions often have unforeseen consequences.
    On the contrary - that is one of the chief conservative critiques of those who place trust in government to solve our problems for us.

    It was the turmoil of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan that drove 1000's of child refugees to Pakistan where they were "trained" in Saudi backed extremist Muslim schools. Those refugees became the Taliban.
    that is simply not accurate - you are overgeneralizing an entire generation. It would be as if I were to say "Black people were abused for multiple centuries, so black people became the Black Panthers and began to murder cops".

    No invasion, no refugees and no Taliban. See how that works?
    Hm. And no Taliban, no al-Qa'ida refuge in Afghanistan. No al-Qa'ida refuge in Afghanistan, likely no 9/11. No 9/11 no invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq. Hey - ISIL is the Russians fault!


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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary - that is one of the chief conservative critiques of those who place trust in government to solve our problems for us.



    that is simply not accurate - you are overgeneralizing an entire generation. It would be as if I were to say "Black people were abused for multiple centuries, so black people became the Black Panthers and began to murder cops".



    Hm. And no Taliban, no al-Qa'ida refuge in Afghanistan. No al-Qa'ida refuge in Afghanistan, likely no 9/11. No 9/11 no invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq. Hey - ISIL is the Russians fault!

    The history of the rise of the Taliban is fact not racism. Perhaps you should check a book or 2.
    An you forget the GW Bush still would have tried to invade Iraq from the day he took office. 911 or not . Whether he would have succeeded without 911 is uncertain but still very possible. So no it still is Bush who is to blame for ISIS.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I know this is hard for you to understand but we won the war in Iraq, negotiated the status of forces agreement and left it open for Obama to negotiate a peace keeping force there including our air bases, but according to Obama we left a stable Iraq. so how do you explain the disconnect?
    It is amusing to see you desperately trying to get me to say Obama lied about Iraq being stable when it is the same lie GW made. GW's lie was actually worse because he was more involved in what made it a lie. It was his screw-up that put a megalomaniac terrorist with close ties to Iran in power in Iraq and Obama was left to deal with him.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact I've done a fair bit of research and have often posted it here. What do you want to know?
    Why you would say that the people that make up ISIS did not exist before American troops withdrew in 2011? That would make them all only 3 years old.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is amusing to see you desperately trying to get me to say Obama lied about Iraq being stable when it is the same lie GW made. GW's lie was actually worse because he was more involved in what made it a lie. It was his screw-up that put a megalomaniac terrorist with close ties to Iran in power in Iraq and Obama was left to deal with him.
    What is it about liberals that they cannot admit when they are wrong? You don't even know the timeline nor have any concept of history. You want badly to believe what the left tells you that you ignore reality. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. You want to believe Bush lied but ignore the Iraq Liberation Act under Clinton, all the Democrat quotes, and the vote authorizing the war from a Democrat Senate. What is really sad is the left wing rhetoric and ignorance of history that continues to spew hatred of GW Bush to divert from the failures of Obama. Obama is incompetent which apparently is a reality you don't want to admit.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Why you would say that the people that make up ISIS did not exist before American troops withdrew in 2011? That would make them all only 3 years old.
    Why won't you admit Obama incompetence and the fact that radical Islamists were run out of Iraq and went to Syria. Obama's failure to address that issue as well as withdrawal of all American forces led to the mess we are in today. You will always blame Bush because that is what liberals do.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I think the US public will support a war against ISIS- so long as the US combatants are limited to a small number of special forces (magnify effects of air strikes). Not only would casualties be low, but career Special Forces are voluntarily on a different social contract. As such, they are able to be to be used, and even expect to be used in pursuit of these types of national interests.
    Thats great if you want to get our small highly trained operators killed

    There is only so much a few men can do. Send a brigade from the 101 or 3ID or 1 mardiv, give them the assets and roe that is called forr and isis will be eliminated.

    Let slip the dogs of war

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The history of the rise of the Taliban is fact not racism. Perhaps you should check a book or 2.
    the history of the Taliban is indeed a series of facts. Facts you seem generally to have a very hazy grasp on. If I were to say that they were a neo-Deobandi blend of Wahhabism, would you even know what that means without looking it up? Could you even point to Miram Shah on a map?

    How about if I were to say that MMO will likely re-don the cloak? That's a bit less obscure.

    An you forget the GW Bush still would have tried to invade Iraq from the day he took office. 911 or not.
    That is incorrect. 9/11 changed the Bush administration from one whose approach was to avoid nation-building and adventurism abroad into one that was unwilling to sustain the threat of a Saddam Hussein. No 9/11, no invasion of Iraq, or even desire to do so.

    However, I find it entertaining that for you, causality goes back in history until you find someone you don't like and stops there, rather than actions simply being the fault of those who take them.

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