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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Obama doesn't care what I say, and I don't take it personally.
    Obama lacks the leadership skills that require him to listen to others. His arrogance of full display and yet millions still support him. He certainly didn't listen to his military or civilian leaders, did he?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes Iraq was so peaceful and the Iraqi's were so grateful that they petitioned the U.N. to end their mandate and make us withdraw in 2008. Bush rushed to sign an agreement to stay longer and with much hooting and hollerin' got a 3 year reprieve. When 2011 came they were determined to get us to leave and we did. Are you saying the corrupt repressive sectarian Govt. Bush installed was the "victory"? That's quite a stretch.
    That is a lie and what you want to believe. Obama's arrogance led to the complete pull out and his victory speech. That is what you want to ignore along with all the other obama failures

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes Iraq was so peaceful and the Iraqi's were so grateful that they petitioned the U.N. to end their mandate and make us withdraw in 2008. Bush rushed to sign an agreement to stay longer and with much hooting and hollerin' got a 3 year reprieve. When 2011 came they were determined to get us to leave and we did. Are you saying the corrupt repressive sectarian Govt. Bush installed was the "victory"? That's quite a stretch.
    That is a lie and what you want to believe. Obama's arrogance led to the complete pull out and his victory speech. That is what you want to ignore along with all the other obama failures.

    The Status of Forces Agreement did not dictate a pull out in 2008 but then again facts don't matter to you

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The "cakewalk" that they referred to, as I recall at any rate, was the invasion, and that was pretty easy. Though there certainly was an underestimation on how ready the Iraqis were to ruling themselves, that is no doubt and where Rumsfeld was a failure. I understand why they did it though... they assumed (as I did at the time) that people were the same the world over, and that setting up a new government there would be as easy as it was in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union. But now we see how barbaric these people are, which is why we really need to stop toppling over dictators who can keep the rabble in line.



    Are you (and iguana) saying the Arab Spring was an American invention?
    There was also an underestimation that AQ would follow us from A-Stan and fight us in Iraq, AQI. Or that AQI would morph into the Islamic State in Iraq, migrate to Syria, in another power vacuum the US helped to create, tack an "S" on the end and become the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria! US interference, as correctly predicted by China and Russia three years ago has been destructive to the Middle East order, beneficial to militant Islamic groups and is spreading. But alas, US policy still, STILL finds support amongst patronizing Americans.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes Iraq was so peaceful and the Iraqi's were so grateful that they petitioned the U.N. to end their mandate and make us withdraw in 2008. Bush rushed to sign an agreement to stay longer and with much hooting and hollerin' got a 3 year reprieve. When 2011 came they were determined to get us to leave and we did. Are you saying the corrupt repressive sectarian Govt. Bush installed was the "victory"? That's quite a stretch.
    Of course nothing about Iraq post Mar. 19,2003 has been a success. But the Bush patrons will die with the myth carried like a football player holds the ball as he advances.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There was also an underestimation that AQ would follow us from A-Stan and fight us in Iraq, AQI. Or that AQI would morph into the Islamic State in Iraq, migrate to Syria, in another power vacuum the US helped to create, tack an "S" on the end and become the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria! US interference, as correctly predicted by China and Russia three years ago has been destructive to the Middle East order, beneficial to militant Islamic groups and is spreading. But alas, US policy still, STILL finds support amongst patronizing Americans.
    I don't think there was ever an inevitability about AQ going into Iraq. Really, our problems in Iraq in 06 and 07 had very little to do with Foreign Fighters and more to do with a Civil War between Sunni and Shia. Put it to you another way, had religion not been a concern in the government of Iraq, we never would of had the discrimination against the Sunni that we have/had today, and as a result, ISIS wouldn't of been able to make the in roads through Sunni territory in Iraq. And it's not about patronizing Americans, it's about Americans that still have hope for the people of the ME. And by the way that last thing tyrants like China and Russia want to see are free and stable countries in the middle east, because that might give ideas to the people within their own borders. It's not impossible mind you, Tunisia's worked out pretty well after all.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    ISIS is kicking Obama's ass like pretty much everything else is.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ISIS is kicking Obama's ass like pretty much everything else is.
    ISIS is "over yonder". Obama is in the White House.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a lie and what you want to believe. Obama's arrogance led to the complete pull out and his victory speech. That is what you want to ignore along with all the other obama failures.

    The Status of Forces Agreement did not dictate a pull out in 2008 but then again facts don't matter to you
    Before the SOFA we occupied Iraq under the U.N. mandate that was renewed yearly since 2003. In 2008, the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end the mandate and our "right" to occupy Iraq with it. Without the SOFA agreement signed by Bush in 2008 we would have been in violation of International law to remain in Iraq after 2009.

    Abstract:

    The formal acknowledgement of their status, responsibilities and obligations as the occupying power makes the US occupation of Iraq which began in April 21, 2003 unique. It marked the first instance since the inception of the UN that the invader or aggressor is acknowledging and accepting responsibilities as an occupier and the UN is given approval to the situation. UNSC Resolution 1483 was unanimously approved on May 22, 2003 to validate the occupation mandate in Iraq. It was interpreted in consonance with relevant provisions of The Hague Regulations and the 4th Geneva Conventions. Equipped with these legal documentsthis article weighs the performance of the US in her military occupation of Iraq. It concludes that there wereenormous limitations on the US to meet up their responsibilities and obligations as occupying power in Iraq. It recommends that aggression and invasion of sovereign states should remain abrogated. When war inevitableoccurs and there is military occupation; occupying powers should conscientiously adhere to the responsibilities and obligations embedded in the international law of occupation.
    UN Resolution 1483 Occupational Mandate and Limitations to the Obligations of US Forces in Iraq | IOSR Journals - Academia.edu

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yep ISIS just "poofed" into existence out of nowhere because Obama let them. Do a little research and you will find otherwise.
    In fact I've done a fair bit of research and have often posted it here. What do you want to know?

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