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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I never said that the US was at fault for the Taliban, Russia is. I can't say the same about ISIS. We are it's creators without a doubt. Invading countries causes upheavals and unforeseen circumstances. It is NEVER the "cakewalk" that the last administration tried to convince us it is. That is why neocons are so very dangerous.
    The "cakewalk" that they referred to, as I recall at any rate, was the invasion, and that was pretty easy. Though there certainly was an underestimation on how ready the Iraqis were to ruling themselves, that is no doubt and where Rumsfeld was a failure. I understand why they did it though... they assumed (as I did at the time) that people were the same the world over, and that setting up a new government there would be as easy as it was in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union. But now we see how barbaric these people are, which is why we really need to stop toppling over dictators who can keep the rabble in line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It has a quality of theater to it, all these wars. Deception, all the time. The viewer is being enticed into the story.

    Smart weapons, cool videos, great technology. All they need is a steady source of bad guys to fight with.

    The story conflicts with reality....
    Are you (and iguana) saying the Arab Spring was an American invention?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Obama thought long and hard about Afghanistan unlike the last President whose contributions consisted of endless "find something on Saddam" diatribes. The fact that there are no good solutions is not Obama's fault. You can read about it if you want, but there are no golf games or fundraisers so I doubt you would be interested.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    Look, I believe in the military leaders and others who have served rather than some liberal who doesn't have a clue how to win a war. Don't put a lot of faith in the NY Times article but noticed you ignored Obama's comments. Why is that?

    Wonder if you even read the article? How many troops did Obama authorize?

    There was no consensus yet on troop numbers, however, so Mr. Obama called a smaller group of advisers together on Oct. 26 to finally press Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Gates. Mrs. Clinton made it clear that she was comfortable with General McChrystal’s request for 40,000 troops or something close to it; Mr. Gates also favored a big force
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It has a quality of theater to it, all these wars. Deception, all the time. The viewer is being enticed into the story.

    Smart weapons, cool videos, great technology. All they need is a steady source of bad guys to fight with.

    The story conflicts with reality....
    Yes, amazing isn't it how Obama bought the videos? Did we leave a stable Iraq as Obama claimed? Guess some people will never get it and you are in that group. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. Do liberals or even people like you ever admit when they are wrong?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It has a quality of theater to it, all these wars. Deception, all the time. The viewer is being enticed into the story.

    Smart weapons, cool videos, great technology. All they need is a steady source of bad guys to fight with.

    The story conflicts with reality....
    It's just like those "reality" shows that are anything but. I would not want to be in Obama's shoes, it must be eating him up that there is no way out and all of the choices look like "doing stupid stuff" to him. Now the Anbar politicians are requesting US troops because the Iraqi army, that we spent billions to equip and train, will not fight to protect Sunni areas. Turkey won't help the Kurds so they are keeping the 2nd largest army in NATO at home while ISIS fights 1 mile from their border. Since when can NATO countries use sectarian nonsense as policy? It is a cluster**** of momentous proportions.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, amazing isn't it how Obama bought the videos? Did we leave a stable Iraq as Obama claimed? Guess some people will never get it and you are in that group. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. Do liberals or even people like you ever admit when they are wrong?
    You ask 2 questions, then accuse the reader of "not getting it", having never defined 'it', and that is supposed to be a rational post?

    Videos show exactly what?

    Bush didn't win the war, he waged the war, in accordance with instructions from others. Chill dude.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It's just like those "reality" shows that are anything but. I would not want to be in Obama's shoes, it must be eating him up that there is no way out and all of the choices look like "doing stupid stuff" to him. Now the Anbar politicians are requesting US troops because the Iraqi army, that we spent billions to equip and train, will not fight to protect Sunni areas. Turkey won't help the Kurds so they are keeping the 2nd largest army in NATO at home while ISIS fights 1 mile from their border. Since when can NATO countries use sectarian nonsense as policy? It is a cluster**** of momentous proportions.
    Yes, amazing, isn't it??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKSb2ukQxvY

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You ask 2 questions, then accuse the reader of "not getting it", having never defined 'it', and that is supposed to be a rational post?

    Videos show exactly what?

    Bush didn't win the war, he waged the war, in accordance with instructions from others. Chill dude.
    Tell that to Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKSb2ukQxvY

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It's just like those "reality" shows that are anything but. I would not want to be in Obama's shoes, it must be eating him up that there is no way out and all of the choices look like "doing stupid stuff" to him. Now the Anbar politicians are requesting US troops because the Iraqi army, that we spent billions to equip and train, will not fight to protect Sunni areas. Turkey won't help the Kurds so they are keeping the 2nd largest army in NATO at home while ISIS fights 1 mile from their border. Since when can NATO countries use sectarian nonsense as policy? It is a cluster**** of momentous proportions.
    Yes, I would not be surprised if a major war broke out in the area. See where the cards fall....

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    Obama doesn't care what I say, and I don't take it personally.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, amazing isn't it how Obama bought the videos? Did we leave a stable Iraq as Obama claimed? Guess some people will never get it and you are in that group. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. Do liberals or even people like you ever admit when they are wrong?
    Yes Iraq was so peaceful and the Iraqi's were so grateful that they petitioned the U.N. to end their mandate and make us withdraw in 2008. Bush rushed to sign an agreement to stay longer and with much hooting and hollerin' got a 3 year reprieve. When 2011 came they were determined to get us to leave and we did. Are you saying the corrupt repressive sectarian Govt. Bush installed was the "victory"? That's quite a stretch.

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