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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What good did the "surge " in Afghanistan do? Are the Taliban defeated? No. Will any surge end the threat of extremists? Not unless it is a surge of Muslim fighters that are sick of endless war.

    Answer the question, how many troops did the military ask for and how many did they get? Maybe Obama ought to play less golf and have fewer fund raisers and learn how to do the job. Leadership is about taking responsibility and not blaming someone else.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the Generals have a clue.... as a Retired Marine, I have a clue.

    you?... not so much.
    Listening to Generals has got us where we are now, no doubt. We are stuck in an endless circle of war without purpose or end. It's a Generals dream come true. No one cares about Generals in peacetime.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Thank you for this - I can't think of a better demonstration.

    Hint: neither the Taliban nor al-Qa'ida fought the Russians in Afghanistan. Both were later creations.
    As is usual for right wing neocons you forget that actions often have unforeseen consequences. It was the turmoil of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan that drove 1000's of child refugees to Pakistan where they were "trained" in Saudi backed extremist Muslim schools. Those refugees became the Taliban. No invasion, no refugees and no Taliban. See how that works?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    As is usual for right wing neocons you forget that actions often have unforeseen consequences. It was the turmoil of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan that drove 1000's of child refugees to Pakistan where they were "trained" in Saudi backed extremist Muslim schools. Those refugees became the Taliban. No invasion, no refugees and no Taliban. See how that works?
    That's a bit of a stretch. Had the Soviet Union of won, those very same refugees very well could of been forced into Pakistan to escape the oppression of the Soviet Puppet government. Also, it's important to keep in mind that the Soviet Union started that conflict, we were simply supporting freedom fighters that to Americans, were no different than those freedom fighters in Eastern Europe. Finally, it was important to check Soviet Aggression. We'd have a lot more problems if all of Asia was red...

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Listening to Generals has got us where we are now, no doubt. We are stuck in an endless circle of war without purpose or end. It's a Generals dream come true. No one cares about Generals in peacetime.
    This is a poor Hollywood caricature that has no basis in reality. You do realize that the vast majority of generals have served as regular infantry on the ground. If anything, they would have far more understanding of the suffering of those troops than either you or I...

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Answer the question, how many troops did the military ask for and how many did they get? Maybe Obama ought to play less golf and have fewer fund raisers and learn how to do the job. Leadership is about taking responsibility and not blaming someone else.
    Obama thought long and hard about Afghanistan unlike the last President whose contributions consisted of endless "find something on Saddam" diatribes. The fact that there are no good solutions is not Obama's fault. You can read about it if you want, but there are no golf games or fundraisers so I doubt you would be interested.

    The three-month review that led to the escalate-then-exit strategy is a case study in decision making in the Obama White House — intense, methodical, rigorous, earnest and at times deeply frustrating for nearly all involved. It was a virtual seminar in Afghanistan and Pakistan, led by a president described by one participant as something “between a college professor and a gentle cross-examiner.”

    Mr. Obama peppered advisers with questions and showed an insatiable demand for information, taxing analysts who prepared three dozen intelligence reports for him and Pentagon staff members who churned out thousands of pages of documents.

    This account of how the president reached his decision is based on dozens of interviews with participants as well as a review of notes some of them took during Mr. Obama’s 10 meetings with his national security team. Most of those interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, but their accounts have been matched against those of other participants wherever possible.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    That's a bit of a stretch. Had the Soviet Union of won, those very same refugees very well could of been forced into Pakistan to escape the oppression of the Soviet Puppet government. Also, it's important to keep in mind that the Soviet Union started that conflict, we were simply supporting freedom fighters that to Americans, were no different than those freedom fighters in Eastern Europe. Finally, it was important to check Soviet Aggression. We'd have a lot more problems if all of Asia was red...
    I never said that the US was at fault for the Taliban, Russia is. I can't say the same about ISIS. We are it's creators without a doubt. Invading countries causes upheavals and unforeseen circumstances. It is NEVER the "cakewalk" that the last administration tried to convince us it is. That is why neocons are so very dangerous.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Listening to Generals has got us where we are now, no doubt. We are stuck in an endless circle of war without purpose or end. It's a Generals dream come true. No one cares about Generals in peacetime.
    weird, your previous post seemed to suggest the generals knew what they were doing... now you are ****ting on them.

    what changed?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ISIS appeared after the forces left. Unless you include the timing of these events your analysis is meaningless.
    Yep ISIS just "poofed" into existence out of nowhere because Obama let them. Do a little research and you will find otherwise.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    It has a quality of theater to it, all these wars. Deception, all the time. The viewer is being enticed into the story.

    Smart weapons, cool videos, great technology. All they need is a steady source of bad guys to fight with.

    The story conflicts with reality....

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