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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Russians invaded Afghanistan and we got the Taliban and al Qaeda, the US invaded Iraq and we got ISIL. It is all just a coincidence? And you say liberals are nave. LOL
    ISIS appeared after the forces left. Unless you include the timing of these events your analysis is meaningless.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    being naive isn't a successful winning strategy. liberals are very naive in believing that the U.S. is the problem and not radical Islam. Liberal logic leads to events like 9/11 and ISIS today. One of these days being naive is going to cost thousands of American lives again.
    There seems to be a willingness, if not an eagerness, to be foolish and naive. They probably feel quite safe in thinking that the United States is the real enemy.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ... Here I thought there were Muslims fighting in this conflict - but apparently they aren't. I guess we should call the Iraqi's, the FSA, the Kurds, the Saudies, the Emirates, and tell them all that iguanaman has declared them non-Muslim. ...
    ISIS has already declared those groups non-muslims, so that shouldn't surprise anyone.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes it is Muslims fighting and that is the way it should stay or there will be no resolution only a holding action. It is about time they step up and take control of their future.
    do you have anything to actually add beyond cliche's?

    1. Muslims are fighting ISIL
    2. They do not have the organic ability to hold back and then defeat it.

    There has been no legitimacy to the Iraq Govt. under Maliki. He has used the same tactics as Saddam only this time directed at the Sunni's.
    That's an interesting claim. Can you cite instances of Maliki using chemical weapons to attempt to ethnically cleanse the Sunni? Are you even aware that Maliki is no longer in power, having been driven out by the Democratic processes that had zero effect on Saddam?

    Or are you continuing to spit ignorant hyperbole in place of any kind of rational thought process?

    As far as listening to the military, that is what we had been doing under Bush. It has not been successful, unless eternal war is our game.
    okay. I tell you what - we'll make this easy. Compare Iraq in 2009 to Iraq in 2014. Which one is more stable?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    ISIL is a product of our intervention. We can take "credit" for all their horrors too,
    that is idiotic. ISIL is responsible for their own actions and decisions.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Russians invaded Afghanistan and we got the Taliban and al Qaeda, the US invaded Iraq and we got ISIL. It is all just a coincidence? And you say liberals are nave. LOL
    Thank you for this - I can't think of a better demonstration.

    Hint: neither the Taliban nor al-Qa'ida fought the Russians in Afghanistan. Both were later creations.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Russians invaded Afghanistan and we got the Taliban and al Qaeda, the US invaded Iraq and we got ISIL. It is all just a coincidence? And you say liberals are nave. LOL
    Careful, they'll twist your words. While the Soviet Union was fighting in A-Stan, the US supported, as a matter of policy the militant Islamic group Mujahideen which succeeded in causing a soviet withdrawal leaving a power vacuum that gave rise to the Taliban we had to fight a dozen years later. By this time, AQ was in A-Stan as well and followed us to Iraq. AQI, was the beginning of ISI forming in the middle of Bush's war in Iraq. ISI eventually spread to Syria and added the second "S", ISIS, and subsequently changed it simply to the Islamic State.

    The group originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). It took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq and joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards. At its height it enjoyed a significant presence in Al Anbar, Nineveh, Kirkuk, and other areas, but around 2008, its violent methods led to a backlash against it and temporary decline.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam...and_the_Levant
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Russians invaded Afghanistan and we got the Taliban and al Qaeda, the US invaded Iraq and we got ISIL. It is all just a coincidence? And you say liberals are nave. LOL
    You and "your" President need to get on the same page

    Video: Obama-

    How many troops did the military request for the Afghanistan Surge and how many did Obama authorize? You have a very selective memory which most liberals seem to have

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Air strikes typical precede any on the ground operations we have done recently. Do you remember how many weeks of airstrikes preceded ground operations in Kuwait or Iraq? I guess the Generals didn't have a clue unlike you? They serve to "soften up" the enemy and play havoc with Command/Control and supply lines, supporting ground troops comes later. Obama never said there would be no ground troops just not American.
    the Generals have a clue.... as a Retired Marine, I have a clue.

    you?... not so much.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You and "your" President need to get on the same page

    Video: Obama-

    How many troops did the military request for the Afghanistan Surge and how many did Obama authorize? You have a very selective memory which most liberals seem to have
    What good did the "surge " in Afghanistan do? Are the Taliban defeated? No. Will any surge end the threat of extremists? Not unless it is a surge of Muslim fighters that are sick of endless war. Like all Presidents he believed the Generals who told him they could "win" if they had more men. He will not be fooled twice.
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