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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    ...and ungoverned space serving as a launch-pad for terrorist groups for years. Yeah. That's fantastic.
    Yes, I thought a libertarian like yourself would enjoy the idea of ungoverned space.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    Where as before they were only blown to pieces. Much more humane. Now dare we not blow up civilians so they won't be crucified.
    On the contrary - we went to great lengths to minimize civilian casualties. ISIL seeks to maximize them.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    Yes, I thought a libertarian like yourself would enjoy the idea of ungoverned space.
    Again, you people (that's right, you people) need to learn the difference between "libertarian" and "anarchist". Libertarians believe that governments' role is properly restricted to guaranteeing our rights (which are negative in nature) and solving tragedies of the commons. Anarchists believe in effectively no government (ungoverned space).

    It's the difference between believing that we should have a police force, but that they should have to do things like prove probable cause before they bust into our house and arrest us and believing that we should just have a free-for-all and let the guy with the best guns win.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Limited by what? How many casualties we can stomach?
    Limited by wisdom and the needs on the ground as communicated by the commanders who are the experts at this sort of thing and who the White House traditionally ignores in favor of political feel-good solutions.

    Our involvement will bring more recruits to ISIS and more misery for the people. Muslims have to fight this war or it means nothing
    Oh gosh, that's not good to hear. Here I thought there were Muslims fighting in this conflict - but apparently they aren't. I guess we should call the Iraqi's, the FSA, the Kurds, the Saudies, the Emirates, and tell them all that iguanaman has declared them non-Muslim.

    You know like invading Iraq meant nothing except more civilians being killed.
    That is flatly incorrect. Like it or not, Iraq now has a (semi) functioning representative government that recognizes limits on its ability to abuse its populace, which it depends upon for governing legitimacy. A larger percentage of Iraqi's voted in 2005 than Americans had the previous year.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Limited by wisdom and the needs on the ground as communicated by the commanders who are the experts at this sort of thing and who the White House traditionally ignores in favor of political feel-good solutions.



    Oh gosh, that's not good to hear. Here I thought there were Muslims fighting in this conflict - but apparently they aren't. I guess we should call the Iraqi's, the FSA, the Kurds, the Saudies, the Emirates, and tell them all that iguanaman has declared them non-Muslim.



    That is flatly incorrect. Like it or not, Iraq now has a (semi) functioning representative government that recognizes limits on its ability to abuse its populace, which it depends upon for governing legitimacy. A larger percentage of Iraqi's voted in 2005 than Americans had the previous year.
    Yes it is Muslims fighting and that is the way it should stay or there will be no resolution only a holding action. It is about time they step up and take control of their future.
    There has been no legitimacy to the Iraq Govt. under Maliki. He has used the same tactics as Saddam only this time directed at the Sunni's. This behavior has led to ISIS being seen as the lesser of 2 evils in much of Iraq. He has corrupted the Iraq military to the point where they refuse to fight ISIS in Sunni areas. Only a partisan fool would believe we have accomplished anything in Iraq but adding to the suffering.
    As far as listening to the military, that is what we had been doing under Bush. It has not been successful, unless eternal war is our game.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes it is Muslims fighting and that is the way it should stay or there will be no resolution only a holding action. It is about time they step up and take control of their future.
    There has been no legitimacy to the Iraq Govt. under Maliki. He has used the same tactics as Saddam only this time directed at the Sunni's. This behavior has led to ISIS being seen as the lesser of 2 evils in much of Iraq. He has corrupted the Iraq military to the point where they refuse to fight ISIS in Sunni areas. Only a partisan fool would believe we have accomplished anything in Iraq but adding to the suffering.
    As far as listening to the military, that is what we had been doing under Bush. It has not been successful, unless eternal war is our game.
    No war was ever won by a politician in D.C. but wars are always lost by the politicians in D.C. Bush and the military won the war, Obama lost the peace showing his inexperience and incompetence. He lost the peace in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan. Liberalism is a complete disaster and always will be because liberals always believe they are right and that the rest of the world thinks like they do. Evil knows one thing, force, not negotiation.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary - we went to great lengths to minimize civilian casualties. ISIL seeks to maximize them.
    ISIL is a product of our intervention. We can take "credit" for all their horrors too,

    Blair continues to have no regrets over the decision to attack and occupy Iraq. After all, he writes, there were a few fairly good years in Iraq, following the carnage of 2003-2007. ‘3/4 years ago Al Qaida in Iraq was a beaten force,’ he claims. He must be referring to the quiet years 2009-2012, when 18,000 Iraqi civilians were killed. The truth is violence never ceased in Iraq. The cracks never filled. The wounds never healed. Our continued support has been catastrophic, costing thousands of innocent lives and delivering the final blow to a divided society. ‘We need a comprehensive plan for the Middle East that correctly learns the lessons of the past decade,’ writes Blair. Sadly, he still appears to need to include himself in that ‘we’.
    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analys...es-of-support/

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    ISIL is a product of our intervention. We can take "credit" for all their horrors too,

    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analys...es-of-support/
    being naive isn't a successful winning strategy. liberals are very naive in believing that the U.S. is the problem and not radical Islam. Liberal logic leads to events like 9/11 and ISIS today. One of these days being naive is going to cost thousands of American lives again.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    being naive isn't a successful winning strategy. liberals are very naive in believing that the U.S. is the problem and not radical Islam. Liberal logic leads to events like 9/11 and ISIS today. One of these days being naive is going to cost thousands of American lives again.
    The Russians invaded Afghanistan and we got the Taliban and al Qaeda, the US invaded Iraq and we got ISIL. It is all just a coincidence? And you say liberals are nave. LOL

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are deluded if you think there was any peace for the Iraqi people either when we were there OR after we left.
    In fact the US president pronounced it "stable" and his VP called it their "greatest achievement". Do you have some inside information no one else has?[/QUOTE]

    Here is a list of the casualties in Iraq, and not all by terrorists. In 2011 there were 54, including accidents, which strongly suggests that the country was stable, just as Obama and Biden said.iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

    It's pointless also to submit opinion pieces as fact.

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