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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its not that they don't want to fight.....they are weak and incompetent. Can't be relied upon in getting the job done.

    The only way there will be Peace.....is when one side of that Sectarian divide wins and the other is subjugated.
    Turkey is a NATO country. I'm sure they are not that weak. The holdup is that they have a Kurdish "problem" in Turkey so they want the Kurds to lose.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow: Um. Yes they are. Specifically most are stating that we need US Special Forces on the ground to direct more regular air-strikes and work on offensive operations with the Kurds and other similar forces in a campaign much like the work that 5th Group did with the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.



    sure. If you want to create a non-disprovable conspiracy-theory model, well, you can't be disproven. But everything that is available to us suggests that you are incorrect.
    I bet the Kurds can mark targets with lasers just fine. The region has gotten used to letting us do all the work at our expense. Obama is trying to change that.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I bet the Kurds can mark targets with lasers just fine
    The Kurds do not have our JTAC training nor equipment nor the ability to interface that our own troops would - nor could we provide some of that to them, as some of it is classified.

    The region has gotten used to letting us do all the work at our expense. Obama is trying to change that.
    Yeah. So far that plan is working out just awesome.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Kurds do not have our JTAC training nor equipment nor the ability to interface that our own troops would - nor could we provide some of that to them, as some of it is classified.



    Yeah. So far that plan is working out just awesome.
    So pointing a laser is "classified"? Give me a break. You are just worried that Obama will pull this off and make you look like a fool. It won't be the first time.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So pointing a laser is "classified"?
    No. Equipment, tactics, techniques, and procedures often are - especially with regards to munitions capability, employment, and communications. Especially communications that are encrypted, such as the kind that you would have when you wished to communicate with (oh, say) planes carrying bombs. Additionally, many of the laser-guided bombs are often less precise, depending on the point in development of the guidance package. So anything we could just "leave" with the kurds (recognizing that anything we leave is subject to capture by bad actors) would likely of necessity only be interfaceable with the munitions less likely to be effective against small, moving targets.

    Give me a break. You are just worried that Obama will pull this off and make you look like a fool.
    No. I happen to know a little bit of what I am talking about, which is why I know that your simplified answer does not actually meet the requirerments.

    So, by the way, do two US Secretaries of Defense and a line-up of US Generals, which is why they are saying similar things.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. Equipment, tactics, techniques, and procedures often are. Additionally, many of the laser-guided bombs are often less precise, depending on the point in development of the guidance package. So anything we could just "leave" with the kurds (recognizing that anything we leave is subject to capture by bad actors) would likely of necessity only be interfaceable with the munitions less likely to be effective against small, moving targets.



    No. I happen to know a little bit of what I am talking about, which is why I know that your simplified answer does not actually meet the requirerments.

    So, by the way, do two US Secretaries of Defense and a line-up of US Generals, which is why they are saying similar things.
    Generals only care about winning battles and often we end up losing the war. If we are all alone we will lose again and the Generals will have more wars to play with. Obama does not want to play. We need a strategy to stabilize the region not just win battles.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Generals only care about winning battles and often we end up losing the war


    Okay. You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Obama does not want to play. We need a strategy to stabilize the region not just win battles.
    You are right that Obama does not want to play. The problem is, if you want to stabilize the region, you have to be a player in it. And a major one at that .

    it's like claiming that we are going to reduce gang violence in Chicago by pulling out all the police. Yeah. That'll work great.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Turkey is a NATO country. I'm sure they are not that weak. The holdup is that they have a Kurdish "problem" in Turkey so they want the Kurds to lose.
    Yet didn't want to take Assad on directly.....and allowed the MB backed Sunni Syrian Rebel/Terrorists to run their operations in and out of Turkey.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yet didn't want to take Assad on directly.....and allowed the MB backed Sunni Syrian Rebel/Terrorists to run their operations in and out of Turkey.
    War is expensive, they thought it would be cheaper to wait it out and let us foot the bill. They need to step up or get out of NATO.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    War is expensive, they thought it would be cheaper to wait it out and let us foot the bill. They need to step up or get out of NATO.
    Right! The Islamic State is sandwiched between the worlds fourth largest army and NATO's second largest army, and they both are doing very little. So, we should do less.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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