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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    Historically, guerilla tactics don't work against superior conventional forces. It didn't work in Vietnam, which is why The Viet Cong was disbanded/absorbed into the NVA and it's why the Soviets were destroying the mujas, until The United States provided them with the weapons, equipment and tactical training that allowed them to counter the Soviet's advantages.
    Paving the way for the rise of the Taliban we ended up fighting on the battlefield ourselves a few years latter. Probably gave Russia a chuckle.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    What you are suggesting is that the president should be all-knowing. No one knows everything, and they have to rely on their advisors and subordinate leadership. Unless you are a high level government official who is coordinating with the military action, you have no knowledge as to whether or not his course of action is the best - you are just guessing blindly in the dark.
    Actually in this case we pretty much know what those "advisors and subordinate leadership" - especially on the defense side of the house - are saying. They are saying that it is impossible to win this fight without boots on the ground.

    The POTUS is always doomed in the eyes of the American public, who will always tend to assume that he isn't doing enough, when in reality he is doing all that can be done, but we just don't have privi to that info.
    Two former Secretaries of Defense under Obama have both now come public to say that in fact he isn't doing all that can be done, but has deliberately chosen to do as little as possible, with disastrous results.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Ever wonder if maybe the strength and size of ISIS has been exagerated? Like maybe 6 targets was all there was to be had. From some of the reports that I have read, it's just taking one Mad Max style pickup truck of ISIS fighters to take over an entire village, and a few dozen ISIS fighters to take over entire military installations maned with hundreds of Iraqi soldiers.

    Maybe it's like a pathetic football team (think worst pro-football team in the NFL), beating the crap out of an even more pathetic football team (worst high school team), and thus looking strong and powerful.
    I don't think the JV team script is right. They have efficiently and effectively taken over military bases with trained military personnel on them. Both in Iraq and Iran. They are fighting the Kurds in that city. The Kurds in the NE Iraq have been extremely effective, and I assume that the ones in NE Syria would have some similar talents.

    Our biggest issue is we are not arming them. All of our supplies are required to go through Baghdad. So they can inspect and Iran will know what came through. Everyone is so afraid of arming the Kurds because they know they want sovereignty. If we armed the kurds with anti-tank weapons, maybe they would be able to stop the tanks coming down the streets.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You don't know that he is doing nothing? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/wo...ikes.html?_r=0
    That article said that Turkey was doing nothing. They have tanks and troops 1 mile from the fighting but Turkey wants the Kurds to lose. Turkey needs to fight ISIS or get kicked out of NATO. This is the indifference that Obama wants to change. If countries in the region don't want to fight there will never be peace. We can't be the only ones that care.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Paving the way for the rise of the Taliban we ended up fighting on the battlefield ourselves a few years latter. Probably gave Russia a chuckle.
    The United States didn't pave the way for the Taliban.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually in this case we pretty much know what those "advisors and subordinate leadership" - especially on the defense side of the house - are saying. They are saying that it is impossible to win this fight without boots on the ground....
    Sure, but none of them are saying that it has to be American boots on the ground. And all we know is what they are saying publicly, what's said behind closed doors may be something totally different.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sure, the people being attacked by ISIS (sometimes) fight, but many more just run off.

    The Iraqi army had much more than small arms, but they ran off and left their weapons, tanks, etc to ISIS.

    Why haven't we heard a single report (recently) that the Iraq army was engaging ISIS. Seems to me that they could get together at least one division, or even just a batalion or two of soldiers who are willing to fight.

    That's because the Iraqis have been defeated on the ground with our Air Strikes covering what they did.....up until Sunday. Then we upped the Game a bit and decided to call in the Army and Apache helicopters. Which truthfully should have been done from the beginning in Iraq.

    As to Syria and the open desert.....we did use fighters jets. But we should have been dropping Napalm along any fronts by ISIS.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funny enough. To the point though. If Canadians want boots on the ground in Iraq or Syria, I think they should put them on the ground.
    Heya Monte. They may just do that.....since the Aussies have sent in Special Forces on the ground to assist the Iraqis. Oh and to participate. Do a lil hunting for some snakes. KnowwhatImean?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That article said that Turkey was doing nothing. They have tanks and troops 1 mile from the fighting but Turkey wants the Kurds to lose. Turkey needs to fight ISIS or get kicked out of NATO. This is the indifference that Obama wants to change. If countries in the region don't want to fight there will never be peace. We can't be the only ones that care.

    Its not that they don't want to fight.....they are weak and incompetent. Can't be relied upon in getting the job done.

    The only way there will be Peace.....is when one side of that Sectarian divide wins and the other is subjugated.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sure, but none of them are saying that it has to be American boots on the ground.
    :raises eyebrow: Um. Yes they are. Specifically most are stating that we need US Special Forces on the ground to direct more regular air-strikes and work on offensive operations with the Kurds and other similar forces in a campaign much like the work that 5th Group did with the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.

    And all we know is what they are saying publicly, what's said behind closed doors may be something totally different.
    sure. If you want to create a non-disprovable conspiracy-theory model, well, you can't be disproven. But everything that is available to us suggests that you are incorrect.

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