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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    WOW, our military is inept....

    The real question is did our military WANT to be successful???

    We only have GPS guided missals, and if Obama really wanted to could tell the time on my watch from a recon satellite..
    No our military is not inept. Its just that targetting some types of irregular groups is far more difficult than you think.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    They appear to be getting ready to take another one on the Syria / Turkey border right now...
    I heard. 6 bombs last night is annoying, not disruptive. A bombing campaign requires actionable intelligence on the ground to make an iron curtain around a city. They have to expend tons of munitions to make it work. 6 targets last night is not effective.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who won't bother to defend themselves???

    These people are fighting with small arms against the heavily armed ISIS...
    Sure, the people being attacked by ISIS (sometimes) fight, but many more just run off.

    The Iraqi army had much more than small arms, but they ran off and left their weapons, tanks, etc to ISIS.

    Why haven't we heard a single report (recently) that the Iraq army was engaging ISIS. Seems to me that they could get together at least one division, or even just a batalion or two of soldiers who are willing to fight.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Sadly, such a policy only makes it more likely that we will have to worry about them here. Jihadi sees the west as evil and will eventually attack it, no matter what the actions of a particular nation are, or are not.

    Allowing Jihadis to establish psuedo states only allows them to recruit, train, fund raise and network openly and on a vast scale. This is exactly what happened in the Taliban portions of Afghanistan and this directly facilitated 9-11.
    They are recruiting these people from all over the world, including some Americans. I say "good riddance", I'd much prefer to ship our muslum extremest over there, than to have them here. It would be cool with me if all of them gathered in current ISIS controlled teritory, to the point that most of the people there were ISIS, and then it would be much easier to kill them all. Right now finding them is a needle in a haystack, but if they all group together, it becomes a haystack of needles.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I heard. 6 bombs last night is annoying, not disruptive. A bombing campaign requires actionable intelligence on the ground to make an iron curtain around a city. They have to expend tons of munitions to make it work. 6 targets last night is not effective.
    Ever wonder if maybe the strength and size of ISIS has been exagerated? Like maybe 6 targets was all there was to be had. From some of the reports that I have read, it's just taking one Mad Max style pickup truck of ISIS fighters to take over an entire village, and a few dozen ISIS fighters to take over entire military installations maned with hundreds of Iraqi soldiers.

    Maybe it's like a pathetic football team (think worst pro-football team in the NFL), beating the crap out of an even more pathetic football team (worst high school team), and thus looking strong and powerful.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    If we keep hitting grain silos and killing civilians just on their way to work, they are probably right.

    Has anyone even given the thought to the possibility that since this group and others were born out of the uprising in Syria against Assad, that during the time when we began giving aid and comfort to these groups, they learned very quickly from our people secretly on the ground what our targeting priorities and methodology were?

    Airstrikes Hit Grain Silo, Gas Plant in Syria, Activists Say - NBC News

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    If we keep hitting grain silos and killing civilians just on their way to work, they are probably right.

    Has anyone even given the thought to the possibility that since this group and others were born out of the uprising in Syria against Assad, that during the time when we began giving aid and comfort to these groups, they learned very quickly from our people secretly on the ground what our targeting priorities and methodology were?

    Airstrikes Hit Grain Silo, Gas Plant in Syria, Activists Say - NBC News
    The video is no longer up. Makes me wonder if it was taken down because it was a hoax or something of that nature.

    I've noticed several articles from a number of different sources have only been on the net for a limited amount of time and then they disappear. Hmm.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    If we keep hitting grain silos and killing civilians just on their way to work, they are probably right.

    Has anyone even given the thought to the possibility that since this group and others were born out of the uprising in Syria against Assad, that during the time when we began giving aid and comfort to these groups, they learned very quickly from our people secretly on the ground what our targeting priorities and methodology were?

    Airstrikes Hit Grain Silo, Gas Plant in Syria, Activists Say - NBC News
    The video is no longer up. Makes me wonder if it was taken down because it was a hoax or something of that nature.

    I've noticed several articles from a number of different sources have only been on the net for a limited amount of time and then they disappear. Hmm.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The video is no longer up. Makes me wonder if it was taken down because it was a hoax or something of that nature.

    I've noticed several articles from a number of different sources have only been on the net for a limited amount of time and then they disappear. Hmm.
    Interesting that you bring that up. I am seeing more and more articles and pages not being displayed on the internet, and not because they have been taken down by the authors themselves.

    Could be an interesting new thread somewhere for discussion.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The Iraqi army had much more than small arms, but they ran off and left their weapons, tanks, etc to ISIS.
    From what I've been reading it was an issue of leadership, or the lack thereof. Some of them undoubtedly will end up joining militias. So here we have $25 billion U.S. taxpayer dollars used for training cowards, militias, and equipping ISIS. So let's send 'em more!

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