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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am glad to see they are doing airstikes near Kobani.
    It is a shame it did not happen when Isis was not part way into the town.
    That would seem to have been the logical thing to do.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, I would imagine his "plans" has infantry units from his arab "coalition" doing the lions share of the ground work... I think the air campaign, thus far, is just a stalling tactic meant to give time for the "coalition" to form and get in the game.
    Who knows what goes on in Obama's mind? Right now he's out fundraising.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You'd have to add that human life is not important to the US. Has it come to that?
    American lives are very important to the US, much more so than the lives of people in other countries, particularly when those people won't bother to fight for their own lives. Our government is the government of the US, not the world, it's simply not the responsibility of the US government to police the world or to protect the world. I don't mind helping, it's probably our responsibility as humans, but you really can't help someone who isn't trying or who won't help themselves.

    I wouldn't risk one US life for a hundred lives of foreign citizens who won't bother to defend themselves.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    American lives are very important to the US, much more so than the lives of people in other countries, particularly when those people won't bother to fight for their own lives. Our government is the government of the US, not the world, it's simply not the responsibility of the US government to police the world or to protect the world. I don't mind helping, it's probably our responsibility as humans, but you really can't help someone who isn't trying or who won't help themselves. I wouldn't risk one US life for a hundred lives of foreign citizens who won't bother to defend themselves.
    Who won't bother to defend themselves???

    These people are fighting with small arms against the heavily armed ISIS, Kurdish women have become suicide bombers, men and boys who were safe in Turkey have returned to fight against the invasion and will certainly die that way.

    Why not do a minimum amount of research before you make these claims?

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...er-of-two.html

    UN warns of pending 'massacres' as ISIS closes in on Syrian city | Fox News

    Syria town of Kobani on Turkish border will fall to ISIS, Turkish leader says - World - CBC News

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The best we can do is likely to contain them to the territory that they already have control over. Works for me, because as long as we can keep them over there, we don't have to worry about them being here.
    Sadly, such a policy only makes it more likely that we will have to worry about them here. Jihadi sees the west as evil and will eventually attack it, no matter what the actions of a particular nation are, or are not.

    Allowing Jihadis to establish psuedo states only allows them to recruit, train, fund raise and network openly and on a vast scale. This is exactly what happened in the Taliban portions of Afghanistan and this directly facilitated 9-11.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The only way to defeat radical Islamic terrorists and regimes is to eliminate the radical element of Islam. We can't do that by bombs, it has to be done socially, and I'm not sure that the US can change the social nature of people in a country on the other side of the world.

    The best we can do is likely to contain them to the territory that they already have control over. Works for me, because as long as we can keep them over there, we don't have to worry about them being here.
    Agree with the first paragraph.

    I've never bought into the second paragraph. Granted, they're not doing much here relatively, but I don't think it's because they're so easily distracted like a bunch of little kids.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    American lives are very important to the US, much more so than the lives of people in other countries, particularly when those people won't bother to fight for their own lives. Our government is the government of the US, not the world, it's simply not the responsibility of the US government to police the world or to protect the world. I don't mind helping, it's probably our responsibility as humans, but you really can't help someone who isn't trying or who won't help themselves.

    I wouldn't risk one US life for a hundred lives of foreign citizens who won't bother to defend themselves.
    It's not only a question of whether we can or should help, but whether our efforts ARE helping. Did we really help Iraq when we toppled Saddam and left a power vacuum there? I mean, the guy was bad news, but maybe the Israelis are right: Better the enemy you know than the one you don't. I mean, we have all of these people saying we need to get rid of Assad, but who's going to take his place? Sometimes, believe it or not, a civil war is the best way to settle an argument, because eventually one side either loses or the parties come to some sort of understanding, unlike in Iraq where there was (and is) a lot of resentment on the part of Sunnis against the Shiite-dominated regime. Maybe they just need to slug it out. Maybe Iraq would be better off partitioned into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions. Regardless, these are not questions for the U.S. to decide.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Have you been told that one air strike a day is the same as 300?
    So now airstrikes are not a waste of fuel as long as you do 300 a day? How about we strike when there are targets to eliminate like Obama said. Too complicated for you?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as anyone who has basic knowledge of military doctrine will tell you, air strikes are a support component.

    such support is absolutely necessary, but it is not, in and of itself, capable of defeating any enemy.... especially a non-conventional enemy.
    Air strikes typical precede any on the ground operations we have done recently. Do you remember how many weeks of airstrikes preceded ground operations in Kuwait or Iraq? I guess the Generals didn't have a clue unlike you? They serve to "soften up" the enemy and play havoc with Command/Control and supply lines, supporting ground troops comes later. Obama never said there would be no ground troops just not American.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Here is an ISIS fighter boasting that the air strikes are not militarily effective.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/29/world/...terviews/index.

    Sadly, he is probably right. ISIS is an army of militiamen operating is relatively small groups whose main armoured vehicles are pick up trucks turned into Mad Max style "technicals". Most supplies- and they dont need alot, are requisitioned from the locals (voluntarily, forcibly or coerced) and transported in individual civilian trucks. Likewise, there are not alot of easily demarcated front lines in the fighting.

    As the similarily orgainized Serbs demonstrated in Kosovo, these types of forces mix in with civilians and can be very difficult to identify and stop. Then factor in that ISIS includes members who are veterans of both Iraq and Afghan conflicts who probably have a long list produced list of "dos and donts" produced by Darwinism when it comes to avoiding precision airstrikes.

    In short, my guess is that effective air strikes need US spotters on the ground.
    WOW, our military is inept....

    The real question is did our military WANT to be successful???

    We only have GPS guided missals, and if Obama really wanted to could tell the time on my watch from a recon satellite..

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