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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems everyone knows that except Obama, and that seems unlikely. What would be his motive then, knowing that these strikes are just a waste of fuel?
    Political imagery to make it look like he's doing something. Too many people fall for it.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Political imagery to make it look like he's doing something. Too many people fall for it.
    Yes, but who are these people? Some don't want to get involved at all while others say that if you are going to get involved, do it properly. No one is happy with this tepid response that doesn't even rise to being symbolic. Is there anyone behind the Obama face?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems everyone knows that except Obama, and that seems unlikely. What would be his motive then, knowing that these strikes are just a waste of fuel?
    So all air strikes are a waste of fuel? Why have we used them for all our operations then? Why do we spend so much on our air force? It seems to me that it is the best way to eliminate the heavy weapons ISIS has acquired but you know a better way?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems everyone knows that except Obama, and that seems unlikely. What would be his motive then, knowing that these strikes are just a waste of fuel?
    well, I would imagine his "plans" has infantry units from his arab "coalition" doing the lions share of the ground work... I think the air campaign, thus far, is just a stalling tactic meant to give time for the "coalition" to form and get in the game.

    I'm not seeing much in the way of a "coalition", but I assume Obama is being forthright in one coming along at some point in time.

    I'm not sure why the Iraqi army is so woefully inept, but with their numbers and armaments, i'm sure they could feasibly make quick work out of defeating ISIS..... provided they operate under competent and aggressive leadership ( which seems to be absent)

    personally, i'm against US intervention here... but as we are already engaged, I don't think it's a bad idea to use our infantry units in defensive postures in key locations.
    this would ensure our guys are utilized to protect "innocents" while freeing up coalition combat units to chase ISIS around the desert (with the necessary support of our air campaign)
    not only it is fairly solid military doctrine, it would lend itself to popular support domestically...which would, in turn, lend itself to domestic political capital.

    Syria is a different nut to crack altogether... I don't foresee there being a "coalition" formed in Syria that will be worth a damn.
    then again, i don't give a damn about Syria..and I wouldn't help Assad do a damn thing

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So all air strikes are a waste of fuel? Why have we used them for all our operations then? Why do we spend so much on our air force? It seems to me that it is the best way to eliminate the heavy weapons ISIS has acquired but you know a better way?
    as anyone who has basic knowledge of military doctrine will tell you, air strikes are a support component.

    such support is absolutely necessary, but it is not, in and of itself, capable of defeating any enemy.... especially a non-conventional enemy.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Feltser View Post
    ...We let the Islamic State build up its money, capability and strength and weapons while it was still in Syria. And this is very big fail....
    Sounds like a fail for the Syrians and Iraqis to me, not a fail for the US. Where in the constitution does it way that we should defend foreign nations that are hostile to the US and are of no particular importance to the US?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    ...I doubt that airstrikes are going to "shock and awe" ISIS into submission.
    That probably explains why Obama said that this wouldn't be a shock and awe scenario.

    In short, they only way to beat ISIS is to beat them on the ground. This goes double for ISIS units on the defensive.
    The only way to defeat radical Islamic terrorists and regimes is to eliminate the radical element of Islam. We can't do that by bombs, it has to be done socially, and I'm not sure that the US can change the social nature of people in a country on the other side of the world.

    The best we can do is likely to contain them to the territory that they already have control over. Works for me, because as long as we can keep them over there, we don't have to worry about them being here.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    I am glad to see they are doing airstikes near Kobani.
    It is a shame it did not happen when Isis was not part way into the town.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So all air strikes are a waste of fuel? Why have we used them for all our operations then? Why do we spend so much on our air force? It seems to me that it is the best way to eliminate the heavy weapons ISIS has acquired but you know a better way?
    Have you been told that one air strike a day is the same as 300?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sounds like a fail for the Syrians and Iraqis to me, not a fail for the US. Where in the constitution does it way that we should defend foreign nations that are hostile to the US and are of no particular importance to the US?
    You'd have to add that human life is not important to the US. Has it come to that?

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