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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was an American led Coalition who first led the Iraq war, who introduced democracy and who stabilized the country.
    It was literally never stabilized completely... ever.

    Yes you can post that one thing you keep posting when Obama said we are leaving behind a stable Iraq, I don't care, he was wrong and it was a lie and he knew it.

    But the fact of the matter is, is that Iraq was never truly stable, it was never truly safe and it will continue to be like this for some time.

    As unfortunate as it may sound, Iraq was stable under Saddam, however brutally and horrifically he achieved that.

    The world is better off without him... but for your average of the average Iraqi... perhaps not.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    First of all, we waited too long. We let the Islamic State build up its money, capability and strength and weapons while it was still in Syria. And this is very big fail. I believe that we can come up with a new award, the opposite to Peace Prize. And give it to Mr. President

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It was literally never stabilized completely... ever.
    Who told you that?
    Yes you can post that one thing you keep posting when Obama said we are leaving behind a stable Iraq, I don't care, he was wrong and it was a lie and he knew it. But the fact of the matter is, is that Iraq was never truly stable, it was never truly safe and it will continue to be like this for some time.
    No, he and Biden were right at that time.
    As unfortunate as it may sound, Iraq was stable under Saddam, however brutally and horrifically he achieved that.
    Iraq was certainly not 'stable' under Saddam Hussein. You are following into the trap of historical revisionists, or just listening to really stupid people.
    The world is better off without him... but for your average of the average Iraqi... perhaps not.
    The troops should never have left and the democracy should have been supported into the indefinite future, just as in Germany, Italy, South Korea, and so on.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Here is an ISIS fighter boasting that the air strikes are not militarily effective.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/29/world/...terviews/index.

    Sadly, he is probably right. ISIS is an army of militiamen operating is relatively small groups whose main armoured vehicles are pick up trucks turned into Mad Max style "technicals". Most supplies- and they dont need alot, are requisitioned from the locals (voluntarily, forcibly or coerced) and transported in individual civilian trucks. Likewise, there are not alot of easily demarcated front lines in the fighting.

    As the similarily orgainized Serbs demonstrated in Kosovo, these types of forces mix in with civilians and can be very difficult to identify and stop. Then factor in that ISIS includes members who are veterans of both Iraq and Afghan conflicts who probably have a long list produced list of "dos and donts" produced by Darwinism when it comes to avoiding precision airstrikes.

    In short, my guess is that effective air strikes need US spotters on the ground.
    Of course they're going to say that. Does anybody expect them to say otherwise?

    Granted, they're not going to win the war alone, but they do seem to be having an effect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Our military was crafted around the idea of fighting large, formal state forces, not guerrilla warfare . More important than that, our public acceptance of warfare is exhausted and has giant circles under its eyes at the prospect of yet another conflict that may be drawn out for another unknown number of years. Although to be fair, who can really tell them apart anymore?

    We now have Americans who are fifteen years old (and it looks at this rate that number's going to just keep rising) who never knew a time when we weren't at war.
    I've been thinking this for a long time, and sometimes I think I'm the only one who see the elephant in the room for what it is.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who told you that?
    No, he and Biden were right at that time.
    Iraq was certainly not 'stable' under Saddam Hussein. You are following into the trap of historical revisionists, or just listening to really stupid people.
    The troops should never have left and the democracy should have been supported into the indefinite future, just as in Germany, Italy, South Korea, and so on.
    Except the Germans or the others did not ask us to leave and the President did not sign an agreement to do that. I'm afraid the Iraqi's were ungrateful and hate Americans. Why did Bush sign an agreement to get out? Because the Iraqi's would not agree to anything but that. A set date for our total withdrawal which they petitioned the U.N. for.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Of course they're going to say that. Does anybody expect them to say otherwise?

    Granted, they're not going to win the war alone, but they do seem to be having an effect.



    I've been thinking this for a long time, and sometimes I think I'm the only one who see the elephant in the room for what it is.
    Well I'm told that we have the best goddamn guerrilla fighting forces evar, and I guess I'm not qualified to doubt them since I have no military experience of any kind myself. That being said, I can't help but observe that the Israelis probably have more experience with guerrilla warfare than anybody, and they haven't exactly eradicated Hamas and Hezbollah.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well I'm told that we have the best goddamn guerrilla fighting forces evar, and I guess I'm not qualified to doubt them since I have no military experience of any kind myself. That being said, I can't help but observe that the Israelis probably have more experience with guerrilla warfare than anybody, and they haven't exactly eradicated Hamas and Hezbollah.
    I do have some military experience... albeit 30 years ago, and even then for only three years... but from my observations the mindset doesn't seem to have changed much. We still build to fight open and organized countries, and to project power, not small guerrilla forces.

    We've done the air strike thing as a response many times in the last few decades, and it never really wins anything. Air power compliments other aspects, it is not a means unto itself.

    That being said, I think we can use air power to help ground forces root them out, but the ground forces would have to be significant and be in sync with us. I'd also prefer that said ground forces be somebody else's ground forces... though that drastically lessens the likelihood of them being in sync., which probably dooms us to failure.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Of course they're going to say that. Does anybody expect them to say otherwise?

    Granted, they're not going to win the war alone, but they do seem to be having an effect.
    Sure, they are going to have an effect- how much of an effect is a matter of debate. In addition, I doubt that airstrikes are going to "shock and awe" ISIS into submission.

    In short, they only way to beat ISIS is to beat them on the ground. This goes double for ISIS units on the defensive.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    air strikes, alone, have exactly a 0% chance of defeating ISIS.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    air strikes, alone, have exactly a 0% chance of defeating ISIS.
    It seems everyone knows that except Obama, and that seems unlikely. What would be his motive then, knowing that these strikes are just a waste of fuel?

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