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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    ISIS isn't a conventional army. They dont have static command and control centres, they live among the population, and they mostly use civilian vehicles. This is not a target-rich environment. Even if strikes are made, collateral damage is higher, boosting recruitment. Boots on the ground are vital, not only to exclude them from areas, but in order to gain even basic intelligence on their location.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Squirmed like a stuck pig. It's a familiar sight here, it happens every time your opinion collides with reality.

    ISIS isn't a conventional army. They dont have static command and control centres, they live among the population, and they mostly use civilian vehicles. This is not a target-rich environment. Even if strikes are made, collateral damage is higher, boosting recruitment. Boots on the ground are vital, not only to exclude them from areas, but in order to gain even basic intelligence on their location.
    Actually, they are a conventional fighting force. You can't hide 30,000 troops among the population.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Here is an ISIS fighter boasting that the air strikes are not militarily effective.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/29/world/...terviews/index.

    Sadly, he is probably right. ISIS is an army of militiamen operating is relatively small groups whose main armoured vehicles are pick up trucks turned into Mad Max style "technicals". Most supplies- and they dont need alot, are requisitioned from the locals (voluntarily, forcibly or coerced) and transported in individual civilian trucks. Likewise, there are not alot of easily demarcated front lines in the fighting.

    As the similarily orgainized Serbs demonstrated in Kosovo, these types of forces mix in with civilians and can be very difficult to identify and stop. Then factor in that ISIS includes members who are veterans of both Iraq and Afghan conflicts who probably have a long list produced list of "dos and donts" produced by Darwinism when it comes to avoiding precision airstrikes.

    In short, my guess is that effective air strikes need US spotters on the ground.
    Agreed. They need to be coordinated by US special forces on the ground....as they did initially in Afghanistan. The northern Alliance took care of the mop up duties.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Obama told ISIS he was going to bomb them for months prior to actually doing it so they had plenty of time to disperse their men and weapons. We are bombing empty buildings and they are laughing at us.
    Much like we did in Vietnam while prima donnas at the Paris Peace talks argued about whether to have Caviar or Lobster Thermadore at lunch.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Remember way back when. Obama was asked for his ISIS strategy and he had none. He spent weeks after that mumbling and fumbling about not doing anything until he got the world on his side. ISIS had plenty of time to see what was coming and take appropriate action. Obama missed his window of opportunity big time. Before the question of his policy was even asked he should have started the bombing. At that point there would have been no question what his policy was and ISIS would have been caught off guard and would have been decimated.
    This is the problem when we elect commander in chiefs who have never served a day in the military. They are not bright enough to work out that it's not a good idea to telegraph your punches to the enemy. We should not have been made aware of the air strikes until after the first strikes occurred.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama prefers to call them names other than Al Qaeda because he already 'decimated' them.
    You mean the names that everyone else also calls them because they're different organizations?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You mean the names that everyone else also calls them because they're different organizations?
    You mean affiliated organizations.....which is a result of the Bush administration decimating the main organization to the point that they cannot finance large operations at a significant level.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You mean the names that everyone else also calls them because they're different organizations?
    Are they? How do they differ?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are they? How do they differ?
    Taken from a similar discussion in another thread:

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    They are all separate organizations who ally and quarrel with each other; even though they all are Salafis who hate the West, they originated out of different contexts, have different goals, and use different methods. For example, no one denies that al-Nusra is an affiliate of al-Qaeda. But al-Qaeda (led by Zawahiri) is a global terror network based in Afghanistan and Pakistan whose main goal is to carry out terror attacks against the West, while al-Nusra is a rebel faction in Syria whose principle objective is to overthrow Assad. Therefore, giving the groups different names to reflect the reality of them being different is simply common sense. This is even more true when you realize that "Jabhat al-Nusra" is what they call themselves and what other Syrians call them.
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