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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    On what planet does Saudi Arabia lack the military capability to combat this organization?

    LONDON, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia beat Britain to become the world's fourth largest defence spender in 2013, a report said on Wednesday, as Western cuts and Asian and Middle Eastern growth shift the global balance of military power.
    Does Saudi Arabia possess the resolve, leadership and morale to destroy ISIS?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My argument is dead on and supported with historical facts. Are you ready to explain to us at what point the commies started dominating American forces on the battlefield, yet?
    Well apdst, in the last 24 hours you've moved the subject all around as you've been squirming under the weight of Ahlevah. I believe originally you were denying that the US lost the Vietnam war and failed to meet the objective with south Vietnam!
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does Saudi Arabia possess the resolve, leadership and morale to destroy ISIS?
    Does the US?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Does the US?
    We could.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well apdst, in the last 24 hours you've moved the subject all around as you've been squirming under the weight of Ahlevah. I believe originally you were denying that the US lost the Vietnam war and failed to meet the objective with south Vietnam!
    I've moved around?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We could.
    But we don't. And Saudi Arabia, who has the ability won't because they actually see a benefit to the Islamic State.

    How far is Saudi Arabia complicit in the Isis takeover of much of northern Iraq, and is it stoking an escalating Sunni-Shia conflict across the Islamic world? Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...y-9602312.html
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    It's difficult to thoroughly degrade ISIS by air-power strictly using Litening Pods and drone feeds. FACs/JTACs are required to obtain better granular results.


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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It's difficult to thoroughly degrade ISIS by air-power strictly using Litening Pods and drone feeds. FACs/JTACs are required to obtain better granular results.
    It's also difficult with the funding they are receiving from wealthy donors in various Gulf States.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Sounds familiar...

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    An apples to oranges comparison.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    [SIZE=3][B]Do me a favor and tell me why this was worth it. What did we win?
    You are asking the wrong question. It wasnt a question of 'winning' Vietnam, it was question of opposing the continued expansion of communism. The goal was not to seize South Vietnam (or for that matter to defeat North Vietnam) but rather to prevent it from falling under communist rule similar to the goal in Korea, Afghanistan, etc). The problem was not the war or the war effort but rather the way it was fought. Every US preisdent recognized the need to prevent communist expansion. They just did a lousy job of fighting it. Thats what happens when you let politics and politicians dictate the war effort. Thats why so many people died in Vietnam. Blame Kennedy and Johnson for following the french model that had already had proven disastrous.

    There is no doubt that Communist Russia and China were fueling the attacks on the south by the north. Had the US specifically targeted North Vietnam and full on engaged, the war would have been over in months. What would have resulted is something that looks similar to South and North Korea today. Vietnam wasnt 'just' about Vietnam. It was a war of ideology. It was just another battlefield of the cold war.

    Ask if fighting Communist expansion was worth it. Ask what the world would have looked like had the Soviet Union accomplished its stated goals. Ask what the world would have looked like if the Soviets had managed to gain a firm stronghold in Afghanistan. then ask WHY the Soviet Union was so invested in a south and westward expansion. Dont ask it based on what he HAVE today. What we HAVE today came about because people resisted the Soviet expansion. Ask what COULD have been had we not fought expansion.

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