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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    In many ways, its not just bravado and the individual IS correct. Airstrikes will probably NOT be entirely effective against ISIS. The reasons why are not necessarily damning of the current Obama plan, nor complimentary of ISIS. 1-ISIS doesnt give a **** about their people. Kill as many as you can...their leadership see's them as expendable. As long as you arent directly targeting their leaders, they will continue to act. 2-ISIS is not a conventional army fighting a conventional war. 3-Since ISIS is not a conventional enemy providing a conventional front line, then drone and air strikes actually are the best and most effective means of targeting them right now.

    What is needed is an Arab/Muslim military presence and a massive PR campaign. We dont need US boots on the ground (I would caveat that to say we COULD put some VERY heavily armed FAC units to 1-direct airstrikes and 2-protect each other...but NOT to intentionally and directly target ISIS). Muslims and specifically, Iraqis, Kurds, and Syrians ought to be fighting those assholes.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not nearly as violent as WW2.
    Yes those were the days when we could kill millions of innocent people, those damn liberals have to ruin everything.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't doubt it, but historically speaking, does guerrilla warfare as a tactic generally work well against larger forces with superior technology and weaponry? How well are we doing in Afghanistan, how well did we do in Iraq?
    Historically, guerilla tactics don't work against superior conventional forces. It didn't work in Vietnam, which is why The Viet Cong was disbanded/absorbed into the NVA and it's why the Soviets were destroying the mujas, until The United States provided them with the weapons, equipment and tactical training that allowed them to counter the Soviet's advantages.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Different tactics, we deploy and stay in "enemy" territory, employ drones (killed AQ's entire leadership several times over), and focus on protecting and building relationships with the civilian population. All are quite different from Soviet techniques.

    http://strategicstudiesinstitute.arm...mn/gentile.pdf

    Heres the actual current COIN manual
    http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-24.pdf

    Note that as effective as these are, they still wont work if our POTUS does not have the resolve, and then announces withdrawal dates (which is just an invitation for terror groups to hunker down until we pull out-we are currently pulling our combat troops out of Afghanistan (by the end of the year all will be out) and AQ and the taliban are already threatening the locals with the new "justice" they will employ when we do.
    To be fair, I do recall an article somewhere about how troops found that if they wore mustaches and/or beards, it increased the respect they received from the locals dramatically. Also, can't help but put this in here: the idea of earning the trust of the locals instead forcing on them a sense of our overwhelming superiority is a pretty liberal idea.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Historically, guerilla tactics don't work against superior conventional forces. It didn't work in Vietnam, which is why The Viet Cong was disbanded/absorbed into the NVA and it's why the Soviets were destroying the mujas, until The United States provided them with the weapons, equipment and tactical training that allowed them to counter the Soviet's advantages.
    I'm aware that we armed the Mujahideen, but we would have had to arm them with all the bells and whistles before they could have taken on the Soviet Union in full face-to-face combat (tanks, fighter jets, guided missiles, etc.).

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In terms of defining how successful the strikes were, what ISIS is claiming publicly would be WAY down at the bottom of my list.
    Not mine.

    Given the totality of the circumstances (veteran fighters long experienced with US air strike capabilities, advance notice of the impending strikes, ease of blending in with civilians) and given the fact that other motivated and similarily positioned opponents (Serbs in Kosovo) were able to mitigate alot of the air strikes, I would come to the realization that ISIS may well be telling the truth.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    To be fair, I do recall an article somewhere about how troops found that if they wore mustaches and/or beards, it increased the respect they received from the locals dramatically. Also, can't help but put this in here: the idea of earning the trust of the locals instead forcing on them a sense of our overwhelming superiority is a pretty liberal idea.
    Well, in many of those cultures a beard is a sign of manhood-and manhood is quite important. As for "liberal" ideas, the military is quite innovative, and always has been.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    Yes those were the days when we could kill millions of innocent people, those damn liberals have to ruin everything.
    Those "days" aren't gone. Its just been a while, and largely thanks to the Pax Americana.

    The left killed at least 100 million in the last century alone. Makes religion seem like kids play, frankly.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm aware that we armed the Mujahideen, but we would have had to arm them with all the bells and whistles before they could have taken on the Soviet Union in full face-to-face combat (tanks, fighter jets, guided missiles, etc.).
    Armor and air were the Soviets's advantage, until we gave the mujas the weapons and know how to counter them.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Armor and air were the Soviets's advantage, until we gave the mujas the weapons and know how to counter them.
    It gave their guerrilla warfare tactics a chance, but with what we gave them it wouldn't have allowed them to do much more.

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