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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    If only... it all looks too cruel and violent for a democratic state.
    No question. War has always been cruel and violent for any state.

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    We left...after we forced The North to sign an armistace.
    And then they raised their flag over Saigon and rechristened it Ho Chi Minh City. But they didn't defeat us!
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    And then they raised their flag over Saigon and rechristened it Ho Chi Minh City. But they didn't defeat us!
    That's correct. We defeated us.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    And then they raised their flag over Saigon and rechristened it Ho Chi Minh City. But they didn't defeat us!
    That happened 2 years after we left.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The US didn't surrender Saigon.

    Again, at what point did the NVA, by force of arms defeat the US army?
    it won by simply existing. the americans could not claim any territory or capture disrupt the enemies ability to fight.

    the united states was unable to achieve the Vietnamese equivalent of the german army's experience at the Falaise pocket encirclement.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    it won by simply existing. the americans could not claim any territory or capture disrupt the enemies ability to fight.
    But, we did interrupt their ability to fight.

    the united states was unable to achieve the Vietnamese equivalent of the german army's experience at the Falaise pocket encirclement.
    Ok, at what point were American forces encircled and which division/army corps/army group surrender, or was destroyed?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, we did interrupt their ability to fight.
    the united states was unable to achieve the Vietnamese equivalent of the german army's experience at the Falaise pocket encirclement.[/QUOTE]

    Ok, at what point were American forces encircled and which division/army corps/army group surrender, or was destroyed?[/QUOTE]

    the question i was asking was when did the united states army ever manage to surround a major portion of the north Vietnamese army, destroy it, and actually achieve concrete results?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the united states was unable to achieve the Vietnamese equivalent of the german army's experience at the Falaise pocket encirclement.
    Ok, at what point were American forces encircled and which division/army corps/army group surrender, or was destroyed?[/QUOTE]

    the question i was asking was when did the united states army ever manage to surround a major portion of the north Vietnamese army, destroy it, and actually achieve concrete results?[/QUOTE]

    We destroyed an NVA division at the Ia Drang Valley.

    Encirclements aren't the only way to destroy the enemy, and his will to fight.

    We destroyed the VC without an encirclement.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, at what point were American forces encircled and which division/army corps/army group surrender, or was destroyed?
    the question i was asking was when did the united states army ever manage to surround a major portion of the north Vietnamese army, destroy it, and actually achieve concrete results?[/QUOTE]

    We destroyed an NVA division at the Ia Drang Valley.

    Encirclements aren't the only way to destroy the enemy, and his will to fight.

    We destroyed the VC without an encirclement.[/QUOTE]

    apparently the results of our victories did not seem to register back at home. maybe public opinion would have been on the side of the army if the army was achieving decisive victories like the ones the u.s navy had achieved at the battle of Midway and the Philippine sea during world war two.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the question i was asking was when did the united states army ever manage to surround a major portion of the north Vietnamese army, destroy it, and actually achieve concrete results?
    We destroyed an NVA division at the Ia Drang Valley.

    Encirclements aren't the only way to destroy the enemy, and his will to fight.

    We destroyed the VC without an encirclement.[/QUOTE]

    apparently the results of our victories did not seem to register back at home. maybe public opinion would have been on the side of the army if the army was achieving decisive victories like the ones the u.s navy had achieved at the battle of Midway and the Philippine sea during world war two.[/QUOTE]

    We were achieving decisive victories, but the anti-war propaganda machine suppressed that information. You believe the Tet Offensive was a victory for the communists and another poster believes we retreated from the Viet Cong in 1974. That goes to show how powerful that machine was; they damn near re-wrote history.
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