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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As in Iraq, Vietnam became political and the military was not defeated. The Democrats got their way both times.
    I would suggest you check the history on the Vietnam war, there isn't a military historian alive who doesn't say the US got it's ass kicked.

    They failed in their objective, to keep the North contained, and were the ones who sued for peace.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    At what point did the NVA defest us militarily?
    By not being forced to surrender Hanoi or other parts of north veitnam.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I would suggest you check the history on the Vietnam war, there isn't a military historian alive who doesn't say the US got it's ass kicked.

    They failed in their objective, to keep the North contained, and were the ones who sued for peace.
    That's nonsense, and I'd love to see any genuine military historians who say the American military got their asses kicked! In which battle?

    That's when the term "Exit Strategy" was first deployed and the perfidious politicians have been using it ever since.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How do you measure the terms of success in veitnam? By the body count of the enemy?
    Vietnam was unsuccesful, but not because of the military. As with Iraq is was the fault of the politicians.

    Nonetheless it was one of the few 'hot' battles during the Cold War which America, despite its leftists, eventually won.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's nonsense, and I'd love to see any genuine military historians who say the American military got their asses kicked! In which battle?

    That's when the term "Exit Strategy" was first deployed and the perfidious politicians have been using it ever since.

    You can do your own reading.

    Did the United States prevent the fall of South Vietnam into the hands of the Northern communist regime?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You completely ignore the intent of the post.

    So, wtf does the fact British planes were also involved have to do with the unnecessary firebombing of Dresden?

    FFS, you reduce civilian casualties, not justify them.
    Because you only said American planes, when the British planes were in the majority.

    Justify civilian casualties?? Where did I do that? Here is what I did say. "The fact is that civilians will always be killed in a war and if you have any idea how that can be avoided you should patent it now".

    You know how to use the quote system so please use the quotes as well.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    By not being forced to surrender Hanoi or other parts of north veitnam.
    The US didn't surrender Saigon.

    Again, at what point did the NVA, by force of arms defeat the US army?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong again. They were operational throughout the US occupation right through today, sometimes more intensely then others. However, they were NEVER operational in Iraq UNTIL George Bush removed Saddam Hussein.
    Yeah, ok. I guess that's why ISIS had to invade Iraq.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You can do your own reading.

    Did the United States prevent the fall of South Vietnam into the hands of the Northern communist regime?

    yes or no.
    It was you who made the claim and therefore you who should support that claim, Why would i do research knowing you don't know what you're talking about?

    You don't even appear to understand the difference between military and political victories.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They didn't defeat us.
    Certainly not militarily, but the Tet Offensive was still a strategic victory for the North. Although we killed a lot of VC, they killed enough of us that the war became front and center during the 1968 presidential election, with Johnson forced to withdraw from seeking a second term while Nixon promised to end the war by bringing home "peace with honor." Subsequently, we did in Vietnam what we tried to do in Iraq (with the same pitiful result): a gradual draw-down of U.S. force strength coupled with the simultaneous training and support of indigenous forces. Remember "Vietnamization"? After Tet the war became not so much about "How do we win?" but "How do we get out?"

    So if the original goal in sending troops to Vietnam was to keep South Vietnam from becoming a communist domino I'd say we lost.

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