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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

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    As in Iraq, Vietnam became political and the military was not defeated. The Democrats got their way both times.
    How do you measure the terms of success in veitnam? By the body count of the enemy?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    ISIS Boats Air Strikes are not Effective
    ??

    Is it any wonder? How many boats can pull off an effective air strike? OOOPs . . . never mind . . . yeah, I read that title too fast. You know what they say, "Speed Kills".

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The ones there, now, came from Syria.
    Wrong. President Assad gave no quarters to terrorist organisations. AQI (ISIL) expanded to Syria, taking advantage of the power vacuum created by the US and other Arabic States weakening Assad. the Islamic State in Iraq then added the second "S" to form ISIS but has subsequently changed even that to the Islamic State.


    ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How do you measure the terms of success in veitnam? By the body count of the enemy?
    How do you measure tactical defeat? One side surrenders?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you measure tactical defeat? One side surrenders?
    What was the Americans objective?

    The Veitnamese had a simple one: outlast us.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What was the Americans objective?

    The Veitnamese had a simple one: outlast us.
    That was an easy choice..they lived there and it was their country.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong. President Assad gave no quarters to terrorist organisations. AQI (ISIL) expanded to Syria, taking advantage of the power vacuum created by the US and other Arabic States weakening Assad. the Islamic State in Iraq then added the second "S" to form ISIS but has subsequently changed even that to the Islamic State.


    ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) shortly afterwards.

    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The bottom line is, AQI could no longer operate in Iraq, as long as US troops were in country.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How do you measure the terms of success in veitnam? By the body count of the enemy?
    Easy question . . . you base it on the movies it generated.

    1. The Green Berets with John Wayne early on.
    2. The reflective look at Vietnam with unrealistic backdrops as represented by the Deer Hunter with Robert Deniro.
    3. The damaged goods version Marlon Brando and Martin Sheen brought us in Apocalypse Now.
    4. The revisionist personal history offered by Oliver Stone in a very good movie called Platoon.

    Based on the Academy and our current trade status with Vietnam, I'd say, in the long run, it was pretty successful. It was a Cold War Era proxy war that if not fought there, would have been fought some where else.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The bottom line is, AQI could no longer operate in Iraq, as long as US troops were in country.
    Wrong again. They were operational throughout the US occupation right through today, sometimes more intensely then others. However, they were NEVER operational in Iraq UNTIL George Bush removed Saddam Hussein.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What was the Americans objective?

    The Veitnamese had a simple one: outlast us.
    At what point did the NVA defest us militarily?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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