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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nope. Keep going.
    Well, I give up. I thought that was the original post you responded to.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, I give up. I thought that was the original post you responded to.
    No, this is the post I was responding to.

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    Our military was crafted around the idea of fighting large, formal state forces, not guerrilla warfare . More important than that, our public acceptance of warfare is exhausted and has giant circles under its eyes at the prospect of yet another conflict that may be drawn out for another unknown number of years. Although to be fair, who can really tell them apart anymore?

    We now have Americans who are fifteen years old (and it looks at this rate that number's going to just keep rising) who never knew a time when we weren't at war.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, this is the post I was responding to.
    To which you replied:

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    Our armed forces were crafted to adjust to any threat. Plus, we just spent 10 years fighting and defeating irregular forces.
    I agree with the first sentence of your comments but not the second. The problem was we entered Iraq with large numbers of infantry and heavy armor to confront Saddam, thinking we were going to be welcomed as liberators. That plan fell apart when we discovered a significant number of Iraqis, especially in the Sunni Triangle, really didn't like us that much.

    So then we were faced with an insurgency but still had a large occupying army playing "whack-a-mole." Since you're prior Army, you probably know that in order to defeat an insurgency, among other things, you need time and patience, things the American public is not noted for keeping in great quantity. We carried out our surge in 2007 and by 2008 declared it a success, even though we now know that a large number of these insurgents simply melted back into the population or crossed the border into Syria. Notwithstanding our self-congratulatory orations on defeating al-Qaeda in Iraq or Ansar-al-Islam or any other insurgent group, we face a greater threat today from this ideology than at any time in our history as evidenced by the rise of ISIS. ISIS drew much of its strength, including its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, from these supposedly defeated groups.

    So slap yourself out of your delusion that we defeated anybody and start smelling the roses.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
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    I agree with the first sentence of your comments but not the second. The problem was we entered Iraq with large numbers of infantry and heavy armor to confront Saddam, thinking we were going to be welcomed as liberators. That plan fell apart when we discovered a significant number of Iraqis, especially in the Sunni Triangle, really didn't like us that much.

    So then we were faced with an insurgency but still had a large occupying army playing "whack-a-mole." Since you're prior Army, you probably know that in order to defeat an insurgency, among other things, you need time and patience, things the American public is not noted for keeping in great quantity. We carried out our surge in 2007 and by 2008 declared it a success, even though we now know that a large number of these insurgents simply crossed the border into Syria. Notwithstanding our self-congratulatory orations on defeating al-Qaeda in Iraq or Ansar-al-Islam or any other insurgent group, we face a greater threat today from this ideology than at any time in our history as evidenced by the rise of ISIS. ISIS drew much of its strength, including its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, from these supposedly defeated groups.

    So slap yourself out of your delusion that we defeated anybody and start smelling the roses.

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    The dilusion, is the notion that American forces can't defeat insurgents, in the field. You can scream the, "political objective", spin all you want, but it doesn't change reality.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The dilusion, is the notion that American forces can't defeat insurgents, in the field. You can scream the, "political objective", spin all you want, but it doesn't change reality.
    I suppose with enough time and resources we could, but up to this point we haven't. This is really something that's going to be decided by Syrians and Iraqis.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I suppose with enough time and resources we could, but up to this point we haven't. This is really something that's going to be decided by Syrians and Iraqis.
    How are they going to decide?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Our armed forces were crafted to adjust to any threat. Plus, we just spent 10 years fighting and defeating irregular forces.


    who has been "defeated"?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not nearly as violent as WW2.
    You are justifying the killing of civilians by saying it isn't as bad as WW2?

    So America launches another "experiment' like the fire bombing of Dresden but kill 20% less civilians it's peachy?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    who has been "defeated"?
    We defeated the insurgents in Iraq. They damn didn't defeat our forces.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How are they going to decide?
    The same way they did in Iraq with the Awakening Councils: by deciding they don't want to put up with these assholes and their brutality.
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