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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Yeah, it was Obama who foolishly invaded Iraq, even though there was no WMD and no al Qaeda connection. It was Obama who destabilized the entire region by giving Iran hegemony and wasting billions on nation building in Afghanistan. It was Obama who alienated our allies by going it alone in an hare-brained policy of spending billions on a corrupt puppet government in Baghdad.
    Wait . . . it wasn't . . .
    And who said it was? Are you sure you're okay?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Yeah, it was Obama who foolishly invaded Iraq, even though there was no WMD and no al Qaeda connection. It was Obama who destabilized the entire region by giving Iran hegemony and wasting billions on nation building in Afghanistan. It was Obama who alienated our allies by going it alone in an hare-brained policy of spending billions on a corrupt puppet government in Baghdad.

    Wait . . . it wasn't . . .
    It was Obama who lost the Peace in Iraq for votes. To do so, he ignored (then blamed) his military staff, and the iraqi's.

    No amount of hissing will change the facts.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you going to 'name names'?
    It should be easy enough, right?

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It should be easy enough, right?
    For any person of character, yes.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure you did. Is it REALLY so hard for you to say "Obama declared war and/because it is the right thing to do"?
    Only congress has the ability to declare war. But aside from that, sure, Obama has ordered military action, call it a "war" if you like, and I can agree that it's a war, because it's the right thing to do.

    Or at LEAST because he BELIEVED it was the right thing to do and not because he was tricked and coerced by Fox News and those evil republicans? Geeeeeezus. It's the same pathetic thing again and again and again. It's not his fault. He didn't know. The rotate his homework. The sun was in his eyes. Fox News was mean to him.
    There is no "fault" to be placed. A particular series of events happened in another country, and we went to war. I don't understand why you are suggesting that there is any "fault".

    You know what? Liberal politicians believed Saddam Hussein was a threat long before George Bush. They cite his threat and possession of WMDS long before Bush. Clinton took us to war citing genocide, just as Bush did. And Barrack Hussein By God Obama ****ed up, underestimated the ISIS threat, and is trying to rectify his mistake by striking them of his own free will and choice.
    Obama ****ed up? How is that? Do we "go to war" every time there is any "evil" group in the world? Is he the president of the United States, or the president of the world? Was he the only one that underestimated the ISIS threat? The CIA and the US military didn't have anything to do with that underestimation? The Iraqi government didn't have anything to do with that?

    And did anyone really underestimate the ISIS threat at all? Seems to me that the Iraqi government underestimated their ability to deal with any threat. The Iraqi military is and always has been worthless and weak. Regardless, I may be wrong about this, but it is sounding to me that ISIS has already fallen apart and is no longer a threat to anyone. I believe that the threat was far exagerated, and Obama took advantage of the opportunity to decimate an enemy that was far weaker than the median and some right wing hacks portrayed it to be, and he will come out looking like a brilliant war strategist for it (not that I am saying he is, he certainly isn't, but that's what it is going to appear to be to the American public, and unless the right wing is willing to admit that they were exagerating this minor threat into the worlds worst boogieman, which they won't, Obama will still look like a hero).

    I'm just calling it like I see it. That's my opinion, you are welcome to your own opinion.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    ...That is physical damage to buildings, bridges, structures. But there is a lot more that needs to be done besides blowing things up.
    How do you know that we need to do more? Are you with the CIA or the military? Do you have information that the government is not sharing with us?

    Then if ISIS moves into the cities, into schools, hospitals, mosques, etc to escape the bombing, they we know what we have done and are doing is hurting them instead of pin pricks.
    If ISIS does that then they are no longer taking additional territory, and they no longer pose a significant threat to the area. It's mighty hard to be in charge when you are hiding.

    ISIS then will be daring us to hit them, they would love nothing better than to have video of bombed schools, mosques, hospitals along with the dead to spread around the world. Time will tell, nothing to do now but to sit and wait, to watch and listen.
    If ISIS goes into hiding, then we won't have the need to hit them. Our mission will be accomplished. At least until they morph into the next muslum extremist group, and then we will have to repeat. This is something that is going to keep happening until muslums are willing to give up on extremism, which likely isn't going to be any time soon. Iraq will not be safe from radical groups until the next iron fist evil dictator, like Saddam Husein, takes over.
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you going to 'name names'?
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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And who said it was? Are you sure you're okay?
    Another conservative rhetorical trope: pretend that the logical implications of their claims don't count.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It was Obama who lost the Peace in Iraq for votes. To do so, he ignored (then blamed) his military staff, and the iraqi's.

    No amount of hissing will change the facts.
    Ah the "lost the peace" talking point.

    A perfect example of contentless ahistorical conservative swiftboating.

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    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It was Obama who lost the Peace in Iraq for votes. To do so, he ignored (then blamed) his military staff, and the iraqi's.

    No amount of hissing will change the facts.
    Please explain to our listening audience EXACTLY HOW Obama "lost the peace (no cap, it isn't a movie yet) in Iraq".....

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